u. k. jonah, how important debate is this in the context of the leadership campaign? they will be lots of campaign appearances over the next 5 weeks. quite a number of debates. few will matter more though than these ones in the very early stages for refuse to knock in particular, he is not a member of a favorite of the conservative members. a recent poll of members put him 24 points behind lease trust. he absolutely has to school some early blows against her to do some damage to her standing. and that will begin here, of course, this evening they'll be questions on economic policy. these 2 candidates trying to outdo each other as the most traditionally conservative. there be questions on foreign policy, a big spat between the campaigns over the weekend over who is more clear eyed and hard thinking in terms of china as a national security threat. they'll be questions on the environment this trust, in particular, veering more towards the hard right of her party in being cautious about the environmental measures and protections. but above all, there will be scathing atta

u. k . next, prime minister will be announced on september the 5th. okay, well let's get more or less with jonah hall who's live in london. jonah conservative m p. 's. as mentioned, they have begun voting in the 1st round ballot. how important are the votes in terms of who's gonna eventually be prime minister? what we'll have, we'll have the results of that 1st round of balancing this afternoon in about the next half hour or so. and inevitably, a number of those 8 candidates will drop out for failing to receive the minimum 30 votes that they require to move on to the 2nd round. how important are these boats for that crucial in terms of that whittling down process going down eventually to 2 candidates who will then be put to the members of the party at that point, the m p. 's votes seem to matter much at all. and the latest pollings suggests that at that moment the calculus will change entirely. why will? because whilst at the moment we've got the likes of re, she's do not perform a chancellor of the exchequer. and this trusts the foreign secretary looking as though they are out in front with the

jonah, how l $20.00 london ah toilet. now bring in our guests in london, we have mergers saying he is a political commentator and also a form of special adviser to the u. k. home office. in done the scotland, leslie riddle, a journalist and the director of the nordic horizons thinktank and also in london, is jonathan lis, deputy director of the think tank. british influence a warm welcome to you all and thank you for joining us on inside story. now i want to start by taking a bit of a closer look at the 2 candidates because they're very similar in some ways, vastly different than others. now i believe both of them went to oxford. both of them studied philosophy, politics and economics says many and british government seem to have done, and now they are both perceived as toria leads. but sooner i see despite being one of the richest men in britain has been trying to paint the story themselves as, as a british success story, the son of immigrants, someone who worked as a waste and the local indian restaurant when he was a teenager. mo, i'm curious, how is that narrative played within the policy? and he's played relatively well. people do like a good back s