you are likely here because you care about the g issues of derea purnell's book. please use the link in the chance to buy yours. we will keep things alive for the other side of the pandemic and with that, human rights lawyer, writer and organizer that works to end police and prisonpr violence by providing legal assistance, research and training for community-based organizations for the abolitionist framework a graduate of harvard law the former o editor-in-chief of the harvard journal of african-american public policy and writing has been seen in "the new york times," the atlantic, the guardian, harper's bazaar among many other spots. also on npr, democracy now, slate and msnbc among other media outlets. in conversation with nikkita oliver,xe educator and attorney, executive director of creative justice the community-based program offering an arts-based alternative to incarceration and also organizes with mutual aid to seattle and the people's party. currently the director of i inclusionary for content and marketing and educator and writer focused on identity deve

performative utterances, i do not want people to be like i want to be in abolitionist like derecka purnell, like hopefully what i try to do is all of these people, doing so many different things and there's an entry point for everybody who are trying to figure out how to get free and there are countless examples of different organizations in here different stories and try to do that. with a lot of intentionality so hopefully people will see that. >> i love that and also the intersection la have ablation. having often is overlooked and goes down to just about belief instead of ignoring that there are so many factors police lead to our dependency on the systems and punitive systems and claim adjusted and that included justice for the survivors in a multifaceted demolition that exist in all of her movements you have so many accolades and the thing that draws me to use i'm also aid midwesterner and hearing you talk about st. louis, and was immediately think about ferguson which were a lot of people there first entrance into the movement for beingha aware about how people were moving into black

so you have this -- as this gentleman 20 after eight years of de blasio purnell court judges, a change't improve the quality of the just -- judges. and not make a respite all these assistant d.a.s are leaving because there's nobody to prosecute. they are not arresting people. again, a liberal layer cake of horrible. it is by. and i know we have to go. but these asses need to get the hell out of new york. no more cocktail parties. take your jobs elsewhere. then these liberals will stand up. like danielle reed because he was murdered on a subway train. word -- where the hell is goldman sachs on this. >> up next, if you are upset and complaining about inflation, you could be suffering from [indistinct]. that is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ so i climbed into the cab, and then i settled down inside ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man ♪ ♪ of travel i've had my share, man ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere ♪ ♪♪ >> tech: when you have auto glass damage... choose safelite. ♪ i've been everywhere ♪ we can come to you and replace your windshield. >> grandkid: here you go! >> tech: wow, thank you! >>

purnell knew he was dead.it was politically self-serving to beat the drums to serve the white house best interest records everything you are describing is a trajectory one way p. is there a way to put all of that back in its box? is that possible question reduce the evidence director burns is trying to do that? >> and very actually very heartened by it what director burns is doing in terms of personal tracing. and who is who and who has been appointed, he is maneuvering out some of those who need to o go t have been there for too long and have been part of the problem. and part of the circling of the wagon. he sees some very innovative ways to get them out. at the same time he has the ability to get better jobs byil those leaving to move them out. dand he's made some very good points. think dave marlow was publicly recognized a colleague and friend i think very highly of him. it's a very professional case officer, tremendous experience. he's going to do the right thing he wants to bring back the service and pr

purnell, regent at large for college of medicine to tell us about this. totally nonscientific sampling of my friends who have taken paxlovid, i've heard of this happening a lot. if you talk to people, they say, i had a friend or loved one who took paxlovid. we hear about this happening. how often is it happening? what is happening here? >> right, brianna. originally, studies said that you could experience rebound in 1% to 2% of persons on paxlovid. then we have additional research to say that could be as high as 5% of patients or even in the double digits, approximately 10%. it's not quite correct to say that it's rare, but it still is uncommon. i even had covid recently in the past six weeks. we're not sure if maybe i experienced some rebound symptoms. we just didn't catch it with serial testing. so, it's happening, it's out there. if you have any inkling that you have a resurgence of symptoms or if you're doing serial testing, go back and isolate. >> so many questions about this. first of all, is the increase in rebounds related to the new variant? seco

please join me in welcoming nikita oliver darnell, elmore and derrica purnell. wow. wow. derek and nikita higher hello. hello how to you both? um, listen, i i know nikita and i are going to go back and forth with some questions for you dereka, but i wanted to start by one thinking seattle town hall for hosting this conversation for hosting you such such an honor to be here supporting you my friend and sister and i just got to say before i jump into a question like it's one thing to write a book and i know what it takes to write a book right? it's another thing to write a book that is engaging. textually rich that possesses clarity of voice that's driven that's even paced at astutely researched necessary and -- good so kudos to you. kudos to you. thank you. so borrowing from what nikita really prompted us to to sort of think through when we talked on the side. let's start with grounding ourselves grounding you like talking about context that through which you you come to be and the words that you write, who are your people? where is home what is home or homes? and what are