so district of new jersey if we're talking about bedminster. to get in the door there, they would need to be able to establish, doj would, probable cause not only that a crime has been committed which i think they have established, but also probable cause to believe the documents would be stored at that location. so i can imagine part of the damage assessment and the criminal investigation is to investigate what happened to these documents in the missing folders and interview people who work at bedminster to find out if they have seen evidence of this. if they have a witness who says, oh, yeah, i saw boxes come in door, that could be a probable cause. if trump wanted to challenge that, he would have to do it in new jersey and begin his judge shopping again. >> if you want to talk about trump, in the grill, there are documents. what is this? whatever jurisdiction. so cannon can't control it all. interesting. thank you both very much. appreciate you both. >> up next on "the reidout," in his business dealings trump has gaupten away with lying and

there is this daily mail video of him heading off to bedminster with boxes. we don't know what's in the boxes. but he moves around to different places. today, he's in d.c. in his golf shoes. this guy could go anywhere, and the government for more than a year, for 18 months, did not have access to the property of the federal government because he took things and hid them. i fail to understand how that is not just an open and obvious crime, putting aside what he did when it came to january 6th. >> well, joy, i think you're absolutely right. there is not an exception for any of this in the presidential records act, which i have read from front to back, and it doesn't exist. the trump jury team or the trump legal team, rather, is trying to invent an argument when one doesn't exist. that's creative lawyering and being kind in terms of how i'm describing it at best. you don't have a legal pathway to excuse what we have seen here. donald trump has broken the law with the possession of these documents, full stop, period. i think it's important to understand however t

there's bedminster and trump tower.ll sorts of other looks and if i'm a foreign intelligence service i'm going to be put being my people on right now to go and see, lord knows what trump has in those locations and to our knowledge, garland hasn't execute good search out there. i sure hope there are discussions going on with trump's lawyers and counsel about what is in these other trump facilities and my problem is i can't believe them anymore because they've lied so much to the fbi about mar-a-lago. what's to say they won't lie again. >> pete? last word. >> i think it's absolutely result, there aren't documents in manhattan, that there aren't documents in bedminster and of course, the issue isn't only what trump might have done with it and to the point that jackie's colleague his great reporting today about just the flow of people in and out of these properties. so the concern isn't just trump and what he might do with it. the concern is every other person worker, guest, visitor who might have access to that and what th

>> well, i think that means they may go ahead and start searching other trump properties like bedminsterat mar-a-lago? if you believe he still has some of these very important documents. you're talking about human resources -- human individuals, spies, who could be put at risk. the way they know and believe he has those documents, they've got someone on the inside, whether a secret service agent or other people really close to donald trump. let me tell you, that must drive him crazy. drum demands complete loyalty even if the loyalty is a one-way street. >> in other words, you think there could be another search we could see at bedminster or something like that, like the kind we saw at mar-a-lago? >> the only reason we know about the search about mar-a-lago is because trump disclosed it. the doj is really good at keeping secrets. trump is not. this could be very far along. they could be in the process of trying to plan a search of other properties as we speak. one thing we know about merrick garland, he is good at keeping a secret. >> congressman carolyn malone many is looking for a perso

the trump organization really earns its living from mar-a-lago, from bedminster, from dural, from these other courses and properties that are outside new york so a $250 million fine especially since they just sold the washington hotel for 375 is probably manageable for the trump organization after all is said and done. the bigger issue for the trump organization and trump is this criminal case that is now under way on the tax fraud side after the ceo, alan weisselberg pled guilty to tax fraud. that is a case that could have much deeper consequences for the future of the trump organization and their fortune than this civil case >> that's good perspective because it's hard to keep track. we're going to watch all of this as the market's been hanging in there. equities green two-year did get about 4 let's get to the judge in the half >>> carl, thank you very much. welcome, everybody, to the half time report. we've got less than two hours now before that fed decision and the press conference with the chairman i have of course the investment committee with me today to debate what the market r

he held it at the bedminster course. >> for the viewers who don't feel this as personally as you do,se the kingdom of saudi arabia has never been held to account for the atrocities all over the world. they carpet bomb yemen. persecute and kill homosexuals. sent the airmen here to kill us in pensacola, florida. never been held accountable for 9/11. we don't want them to feel like they can act with impunity and sponsor the golf tournaments. they need to be called out on what they are trying to do and . trying to influence public opinion. they are lobbying the government. i think that the trump organization and the liv golfers should be listed. that's why it's dangerous and why it should be stopped. >> all right. we'll continue to follow the story. thank you for being with us and t the best to your family. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. have you seen my new phone yet? it like, folds in half. i would never switch to samsung, i love my phone. what??? ♪ (...it foldsn half.) you sei love my phone. i would never switch to samsuuu... (gasping) ♪ you've put your dreams on

there's some video of trump aides loading boxes on to a private jet heading for bedminster, and i haveat on twitter over the weekend, i thought, oh, another conspiracy theory. the more you look at it, the more it's pretty disturbing. the banker boxes are the same kinds of boxes that the classified documents were found in. absent any other kinds of evidence, they would need witnesses telling them, yes, there were classified documents in the boxes and they were taken to bedminster. they're not just going to do it based on a video or a theory, jonathan. >>> nbc news justice correspondent ken dilanian, thank you very much. >>> time for a look at the morning papers. in maine, "the portland press herald" reports that portland public schools have seen a significant increase in chronic absenteeism since the onset of the covid pandemic. according to a new report, nearly 25% of students missed at least 10% of school days last year. that is more than a 5% jump compared to student absentee rates four years ago. "the atlanta journal constitution" writes that a georgia man pardoned by former preside

looking at bedminster, trump tower, wherever else he could've sent things? >> i think the people who would know that with the national archives and records administration. they know, i think the, universe of documents that are listed in the first place to know what's missing. if they think there's something missing, there may be other trump properties to go to. i don't think there's an infinite universe of documents were looking for. i think there is a set, and they will know how many of them they still don't. have they may still not have some, but they would know. >> tali, trump is back making the argument that everything is declassified. yet his lawyers have never made this argument in the court of law. so are they arguing to a court of law and he's trying to win the court of public opinion? >> well, yes, i think he is making an argument for the public, but i also do think he is setting up an argument for court. it's not the argument that he's going to try to prove that these documents were actually declassified. that's silly. we can sort circuit that. but

allowed to do anything based on thefd, the judge said, based on this evidence they should go to bedminster-a-lago, he has stuff stashed everywhere, that makes sense because the clock gob eming is important because it gives a chance allegedly to destroy the rest of the evidence, doesn't it. >> this is someone who had 40 empty folders that were marked classified, right. and that is just at trump to ker-- sorry, just at mar-a-lago. who knows where everything. is the stuff was mixed in with his pass ports and an old shoe ang rain coat and raze esch blade, i'm not even making up that. that was literally stuff in the boxing that he gave back to the department of justice. >> stephen: why would a former president have three passports. >> i mean at this stage i want three passports because who knows how this all turns out. >> stephen: new zealand seems nice. >> canada is great in the summer. >> stephen: we have to take a quick break, please stick around. we're right back with more with msnbc's alex wagner, everybody. raise the jar to all five layers. raise the jar to the best gelato... you've ever

he thinks it's stuff he has he can show up to friends at mar-a-lago or bedminster. he has no idea what those procedures are or why those security measures are in place. this is the fall out not just from a criminal perspective possibility but the national security one that these records were exposed to any number of people. >> i'm as much of a pack rat as anyone else. joy, i don't know his little process of things but sounds like what you just described it me just now that suggests he couldn't have formed a criminal intent, perhaps. if he were to be charged -- and we're not there. i don't want to get ahead of this case. i don't what want plan to do. but the fact he was ignorant to the protocol and process, does that help him? >> not really because the relevant provision they're referencing under the espionage act only indicates if you're retaining the documents. not the gross negligence or anything like that during the hillary clinton saga. this was you took the documents to an location and continually to willfully detain them despite the fact you were supposed to g

should be sending people to trump tower in new york or sending them to mar-a-lago or sending them to bedminsterertainly those places are bigger and have more facilities to be able to house these people than the former president barack obama's home or marketia's vineyard. >> maybe we should just have a serious discussion -- >> that's my whole point. >> about this collapsed asylum system. >> i'm trying to point out the ridiculousness of what he did. charlie, i'll give you the last word. >> on the asylum system, the asylum system is broken, too. many of the migrants coming into this country from central america and venezuela are economic migrants. they're not necessarily legitimate asylum cases, so we do have to fix this. it's really important because it's being abused. by the way, on the venezuelan question yietd be i'd be very careful if i was desantis. many of them are inclined to support republican candidates, and i think he has to be very careful he's not showing himself to be too insensitive or too inhumane to venezuelans because a lot of venezuelans in south florida are probably sympathetic

and the doj has to find out have they been moved from one place to another, from mar-a-lago to bedminster, where the former president has another residence. >> when you read the opinions from the judge, the rulings from this judge, what you think she finds is the most compelling argument for ruling in the way she's ruling. agreeing there should be a special master. what is the key argument from the trump team you think she is working from? >> i don't see any argument from the trump team that is compelling enough for her to grant an order as sweeping and as aggressive as this order. you know, you're to get a preliminary injunction, you generally have to prove two things. one, you have a strong likelihood of winning this case. the trump people don't have a strong likelihood. they kind of hint that maybe documents were declassified and these now belong to trump because he declassified them and took them to mar-a-lago. you want to know something, there's not a shred of evidence that these documents were dekafd. where is trump's affidavit explaining how he declassified them. who did he give th

." >> the forwards-facing attorney is from up the street in bedminster in new jersey and who raced her hand and said i'll hem you out. i have experience in this area. as we talk act these subpoenas, also in the justice department's investigation into these classified documents trump took with him to mar-a-lago, we can tell you lawyer for the former president filed a new request yesterday arguing while ta appeal for a special master is being krds, the doj should be blocked from the material. charl yay savage has more on that. charlie, what is the latest here? what is the group of candidates to be the special master? does it look like they'll be able to settle on one? >> the justice department has asked to scale down the investigation so -- sorry, the order blocking their investigation so that it can resume using the classified documentings they took out of mar-a-lago. and they've acquiesced to a special master who would look at the other 11,000 records that were not classified and keep them from the fbi in the meantime. the justice department has put forward two retired judges as potent

ones the fbi found at mar-a-lago being loaded onto a private plane, taken to his other home in bedminsternew jersey. >> what's for dinner tonight? steak? good! plenty of ketchup. and make sure the stewardess with the big ones brings it to me! get all these boxes and top secret government documents on the plane. i'm going to bury them on the first hole next to ivana. >> yes, sir. >> what's up with him? >> eric tried to hug him again. he's pissed. >> can i help you with that? >> these have been in the toilet. >> jimmy: well, that's considerate. at this point, i don't know, donald trump -- [ applause ] i'm sure some part of him wishes he was back in show business, back on "the apprentice" walking out at the emmys and doing this. ♪ green acres is the place to be ♪ ♪ farm living is the life for me ♪ [ laughter ] >> jimmy: back to the emmys. [ applause ] that would have been great this year. i think the academy left out an important category at the emmys. politics are all over tv nowadays. and tonight we are going to honor some of our most talented politicians, by presenting the emmy for "outst

the golf course in bedminster, where he is right now, in fact.here he went, directly went, to mar-a-lago when he left the white house in january of 2021. that, of course, makes sense. most of the documents that would have went with him would have gone there. but do we think at this point that doj would have reason to search some of the other trump properties? and what do you think their hesitation would be? coming up on an election, it could be perceived as political? >> if i were an investigator, i'd be concerned these documents are at some of his other properties. you have to have probable cause that they are there before you can search. you can't engage in a fishing expedition. we don't know the reasons because of the redactions, but a judge found probable cause to believe documents would be at mar-a-lago. it wasn't just a hunch. it has to be facts. things like multiple people told us. it does say they needed to redact to protect the identities of a significant number of civilian witnesses. or they saw thing on surveillance video or other kind

in the slightest and i wouldn't be surprised if there were more highly classified documents at bedminster or some other residence of his. >> it is like whoa, when i heard that. do you think that we'll see a search of other trump properties? >> i don't know. i think it all depends on what the fbi learns. but certainly with all those empty folders, it certainly does raise the question that there may be other documents in other locations. we just don't know. pure speculation at this point. >> sure. nick ackerman, thank you so much for offering your sxeerpexperti insights. >>> let's turn new to the heat out west. triple digit temperatures gripping millions of people and there is no relief coming over this holiday weekend. this arizona, the largest county has already logged 111 heat associated deaths this season compared to just 81 at this time last year. and in california, residents are now being told to curb their electricity for the third day in a row. so people are sweltering. this is dangerous heat. natasha chen is joining us in los angeles. what is in store for them in the coming days? >

so, mar-a-lago, manhattan, the trump towers, bedminster are all targets for foreign intelligence collection. every single nation out there is after about what information what conversations go out there. so, this is extraordinarily concerning. so, it does point to the absurdity of this whole idea of the special master. you know, setting aside all the legal problematic issues there. but you cannot separate. people are saying, well, she let the damage assessment before. well, that's true. but you know the damage assessment can't do? the damage assessment cannot take this document, send it down to the lab, in the fbi, and dust for fingerprints, to figure who's touched it. that's imports of the damage assessment. it's also really important the counter intelligence investigation to figure out who might have had access. and of course, it's also potentially relevant for the criminal investigation as well. so, for a judge to sit there and say, well, we're worried about reputation and harm. we're taking all the stuff off the table. you cannot look at it, you cannot use this investigative leon till m

he has trump tower in new york, bedminster in new jersey, places he frequents.ted a search of those properties or would we know if they've gotten anything back from those properties? >> look, the fact that donald trump announced there was a search of this particular property leads me to believe if there had been searches of any of his other properties we would know about it. that being said, why haven't they done searches of those properties? we don't know what witnesses -- we know there are multiple civilian witnesses -- we don't know what the witnesses have told the fbi about the existence of documents at mar-a-lago and to what extent witnesses told the fbi about other documents that may be other places. i will point out to you that there's something very odd about the certification that was signed by christina and its says she was authorized by the office of donald j. trump to represent that a detailed search was done of the boxes that were brought from the white house to florida. i read that and i scratched my head because i thought to myself, does that mean

perhaps, they are sitting under a pile of five irons in bedminster or lodged between couch cushions inmp tower penthouse summer. this comes as it becomes increasingly apparent that the department of justice and its prosecutors are honing in on and obstruction case. the comingling of trump's personal effects with classified materials is clear relevant evidence of the statutory offenses under investigation. mainly obstruction here. prosecutors are arguing that it is becoming more and more clear that trump and his attorney sought to mislead investigators about the sincerity and thoroughness of their effort to identify efforts to return highly sensitive records to the government. after all, if they were making an earnest effort to send these documents back with the fbi and others ask for them, what did trump notice brightly labeled classified documents in his desk drawer? would he be alarmed by the sight of top secret markings next to issues of time magazine in his office? >> one would think anybody who sees top secret documents would be worried about the. joining me now to break all this

may when donald trump was asked, do you have anymore documents, a few days later he flew out of bedminstere saw them loading cardboard boxes on to the plane? could they have innocuous things in there, stuffed animals? maybe. but it seemed a little bit fishy. and i fully suspect the justice department is looking at other locations that the ex-president may have taken documents. the fact that they're not confident makes me not confident. and he had a whole bunch of empty folders that said they held confidential information and they had nothing. >> i had very questions if there was a teddy ruxspin. >> or maybe games tiddl tiddlywinks. >> and i'm getting clowned for teddy ruxspin. i had one. he was incredible. >>> there's also incredible news in ukraine's fight for freedom. nearly seven months into the war, ukraine has russians on the run, retaking parts of occupied territory in what can only be described as a stunning counteroffensive. we're going to take a look at this amazing turnaround and what it really means for the future of the war with a former spokesperson for ukraine's president zel

patricia: michael: has said that he thinks the president would have documents in bedminster or other homes or children's homes, that this may not be the only place with these documents. mr. morell: anything is possible, right? particularly with the individual we are talking about, but had the fbi had information about -- that suggested that there might be documents in those places, they would have received a warrant to go to those places as well. sen. johnson: it seems apparent that the fbi has, just from this brief they filed a few days ago, they have sources of information that are being fed to them one way or another. hey, you did not get everything in january. we did not get everything in june. there is still stuff left at mar-a-lago and it may be the case that those same sources are telling the fbi about other places he may have them or they have not told them such a thing. patricia: let me ask you since you have handled many of these documents, what kind of consequences will you face if you had sensitive documents like these in your possession and had not returned them? or you

and then the other question becomes, what does he have at bedminster?ermore, i actually think that the fbi was tipped off. i don't think they necessarily would have gone there, but for the fact that beyond getting those 15 boxes that the archivists received in early japan, after negotiating with the president, ex-president for over a year, that they then went down subsequently -- because they were already told by his attorneys that they had everything. so they had to be tipped off in my view. >> you know, it's interesting, because today hillary clinton speculated, speculated that former president trump may have sought financial or political gain, her words, in bringing those classified documents to mar-a-lago. why do you think trump was so determined to keep tehese documents? >> well, if, in fact -- and i haven't seen them yet, but if, in fact, they deal with nuclear weapons, if they are these top-secret sci, i mean, that creates grave danger to our country. that's why they are categorized in that fashion. it means that either someone who is an intel of

whatever the regulations are in palm he can't live there all year round so he doesn't just go to bedminster for a change of scenery. they actually have to shut down the club in the summer months and so i get there and just like they kept me waiting. so i'm off in this like dining that's not being used. like there are tables and i'm in there. the dinner staff with the maid or whoever is running the restaurant part of it starts like going through like this family's, going to be here tonight. so there was one family. they controlled some liquor company. so it was like i got the special gin stash for them, but it's only for them. don't give them anything the bar. but don't worry, it's better. gin. i'm like, well, nobody told me. this is off the record. so just taking a bunch of notes and he's like, by the way, and there were some other things and. i write about this extensively and in trump shadow independent bookstores, amazon or just popping the some way and we can work out and finally at the end it's buffet night at mar a lago and by the way they all wear like the trump hats like campaign ha

doesn't own a lot, but he owns mar-a-lago, the trump tower penthouse, the trump national golf club at bedminster the called seven springs, trump, mark and trump are kavanaugh go. inside of trump world, they are relieved, obviously because this judge is given a lie and said he's untouchable for now. but it had the trump world began to contemplate, whether other properties might also be searched. >> you know, joy, we have been speaking to people close to the former president for a few weeks now. can i just say, they were aware of this and we're kind of thinking about this. in the days since the fbi first search mar-a-lago. this is been something on their mind for sometime. which i think is quite indicative of almost, a sense of guilt that there might be other documents like around. and something really interesting that i picked up over the weekend. if you look at the statement of the trump lawyers gave back to the doj. it said something that we have reviewed all the documents, i would box summit area that came down from the white house to mar-a-lago. and specifically, mar-a-lago. it was almost cer

doesn't own a lot, but he owns mara lag o the trump tower penthouse and the trump national golf club bedminsteren springs park and trump park avenue hugo and inside of trump world they are relieved because this judge basically middle he's untouchable for now, but had the trump world begun to contemplate whether other properties might also be searched? >> yeah. and joy, we've been speaking to, and can i just say that we were aware of this and were kind of thinking about this in days since the fbi first searched mar-a-lago? this has been on their mind for some time which i think is quite indicative of owners' sense of guilt that there might be other documents lying around and something i picked up and after the statement that the trump lawyers gave back to the doj. it said something on the lines of we have reviewed all of the documents and the materials that came down from the white house to mar-a-lago and specifically mar-a-lago. it was almost as though the trump lawyers were covering that back side, and he had to say, look, we don't know about the other properties and we only know what we were

there's a handful of aides with him whether bedminster and mar-a-lago, even ivanka trump and jared kushnera paranoia which shoe could drop. it could be the mar-a-lago case, is it what comes out of georgia. obviously, we have the lawsuits from the attorney general of new york state. and the doj problem into january 6. that said, they read the poll numbers and they see those are not great for donald trump but others who survey the republican party show him far away as the leader in the gop. there was one last week, to trump in the state of florida, same day, the national poll dropped between the two men, the margin was 52-14, not even close. he is the guy to lose. the more that trump is in legal peril, the more the chance that the republican party will rally around him, that's what they think, anyway. they feel we don't know how the next months will play out but there's not going to be that between now and midterms, they ruled that out but there could be soon after. >>> so, a former staffer for the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol said the white house switch boar