your career covering rudy giuliani begins in 1992.aduated college and was living in new york and had the most horrific experience living under giuliani's america. he seemed to be hostile and started off his career with this riot of police officers on the brooklyn bridge to try and oust david inky for screaming the n-word at the black mayor. how did he develop a reputation for something other than malevolent? because he definitely seemed at least to my young black girl mind at the time to be malevolent. poverty develop this beloved image? >> thank you for having me joy. i think the answer to your question is new york was desperate. we were in a desperate situation. the city was going broke. there was disorder in the streets and the previous administration of david incan's who was a trail blazing figure, a first black mayor of new york, was kind of mired in the paralysis of good intentions. it just laid the groundwork for a law and order guy to come in and clean things up regardless of who got hurt. and i think that was something he was

giuliani is running around free. we know he was also under investigation by the southern district of new york as of 2019. in april of last year, the fbi searched his home and office, seized his phones and computers. two months later federal judge appointed a special watchdog to review that material and recommended what prosecutors could review. still nothing has come of this investigation. just last month, the times reported giuliani is unlikely to face charges. giuliani like steve bannon seems incapable of keeping himself out of legal trouble. in light of the charges and you can scheme, he is a target in the criminal scheme of election interference in georgia, when he actively attempted to overturn election. there's every reason to believe the current january 6th investigation which is growing larger and larger by the day may end up on giuliani's doorstep as well, given how intimately involved he was with helping donald trump plan and execute the insurrection. but of course here is the thing. if donald trump were to

giuliani took a lot of heat for the insensitivity of that remark.best day of his life. until he decided to exploited. and the seeds of his failure, of his destruction, happened because of his desire to capitalize on 9/11. it led to a litany of terrible decisions, all made in his own best interest, kept by his decision to endorse donald trump in 2016. a man who, giuliani felt was a, quote unquote, carnival -- but he did it to regain the relevance that he last when he ran for president, trying to capitalize on his 9/11 fame, the 2008 presidential campaign resulted in just one delegate, total humiliation, and donald trump was his ticket back to power. and, you know, with very catastrophic results. >> you know, you describe the moment that he just talked about a couple of days ago before the anniversary of 9/11. even some of the words that you're using, capitalizing on 9/11, imagine that? capitalizing on 9/11. the loss of thousands of lies, the tragedy this whole world watch happened in a city of close -- up close and personal. what he said before the a

that's the job that giuliani wanted at the beginning of the thing.that mcmaster didn't know on whose behalf giuliani would be speaking when he entered the oval office. of course, that was one of the questions when it came to the ukraine issue, which was after mcmaster was fired by trump. you know, the question was always was giuliani working on behalf of people in ukraine as well as on trump's behalf when he was engaging in telling trump the conspiracy theories that led to trump's first impeachment. >> it's also been well-documented that the former president has been highly critical of the appearance of people, but especially women. i think back to carly pfiorina n the campaign trail. you say he was critical of nancy pelosi's appearance and he rejected nikki haley as a running mate. tell us why. >> it's hard. some of these stories are so unbelievable, you know, it's amazing that they happened but, again, that's why it's so important to do this reporting. at one point trump apparently, you know, really did speak to john kelly, his then white house chi

giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates, mr.s law professor and trump attorney john eastman. >> the entire executive branch is headed by one guy. >> trump saw him on fox news and shortly after that, he was in the oval office. >> fraudulent electors was step one which he outlined and justified false claims with illegal actions by state and local election officials. step two in his plan would have to be executed by vice president mike pence on january 6th while presiding over the opening and counting of electoral ballots. >> what you can do is you can say due to these disputes in these seven states, we're going to send this back to the states and the states would then be able to help donald trump win the election. >> it was a lie. in fact, on december 19th, 2020 four days before dr. eastman sent this memo, dr. eastman admitted fake electors had no legal weight referring to the fake electors as quote dead on arrival in congress. end quote. >> trump campaign aides and outside lawyers shared their concerns about the scheme in emails

this is something that rudy giuliani said would land them all in prison. rudy giuliani. he's already lost his law license. we will see what happens happens to him. but that is the context that we showed tonight, that when that fails, it is the first time, the same night, that donald trump comes in and says, all right, i can't abuse military power, i'm even being told by my most aggressive lawless lawyers, the kind that he apparently prefers, that that's not going to work. so that's when i bring muscle to january 6th. but we have had in this country, in our minds and apparently at the justice department, as we reported tonight, a fixation on only looking here. on basically the 6th, or the lead-up to the 6th or a few days out. that's understandable, given what we lived through, we're human beings and the 6th was one of the worst attacks and the worst national security crisis that meric has faced from a domestic threat let alone an outgoing president. and what we focus on tonight, when you go all the way back, when you understand how this started, and how many different plo

this is something that rudy giuliani said would land them all in prison. rudy giuliani.is law license. we'll see what else happens to him but that's the context of what we showed tonight that when the fails that is the first night that donald trump comes in and says, all right, we can't abuse military power, i'm even be told by my most aggressive lawless lawyers, the kind he prefers, that that is not going to work so that's when i bring muscle to january 6th, but we've had in our country and in our minds and apparently as the justice department that we've reported tonight a fixation only on looking here, on basically the 6th or the lead-up to the 6th or a few days out and that's understandable given what we lived through. we're human beings and january 6th was one of the most worst crises that america has ever faced from a domestic threat, let alone an outgoing president. when you actually go all the way back and actually understand how this started and how many different plots were pursued, thwarted, warned about and then desperately doubled down upon, that goes to the

i've talked to people who don't like giuliani and never liked giuliani. certain age, watching him debase himself constantly, humiliate himself constantly is so unsettling. >> it is painful. >> people remember september 11th and the aftermath. certainly some people were saying he was churchill-ian then. but again, turning a city around like new york, gep with the help of many, many people, it was a remarkable political achievement. >> it was. it was. and i was covering him as a city hall reporter back then. and the previous administration of david denkins starts with so much promise. the first black mayor of new york city and there is -- hopes were so high. and it turned out to be kind of a depressing experience. he was kind offed by his good intentions while the city was falling apart. crime was skyrocketing, the streets were in disarray. giuliani comes along and has this kind of take no prisoners approach. incredibly decisive. mean-spirited, almost sadistic towards his enemies but effective. but one of the things i learned in the process of researching t

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in the giuliani case where they seized 18 devices from rudy giuliani and another from a lawyer colleague of his in d.c., it was the justice department, less than two months ago, that asked the court to appoint a special master. so i think the government -- >> but not in the case of the classified documents, which is what -- >> absolutely not. the classified documents all belong to the government and should be in the government's hands. >> right. i'm just saying even on that narrow looking at that, that would enable the department of justice to go ahead with everything they needed if it resulted in an indictment separate than anything that would be looked at by the special master. let me ask you one other thing -- >> that's very true. sure, absolutely. >> sources telling cnn steve bannon is getting ready to turn himself in to new york state authorities tomorrow. you worked at the white house at the same time as steve bannon. the charges in this case are new charges, related to his fund-raising scheme to build a border wall. he raised $25 million and took $1 million for his personal use, a

we do know she was talking to andrew giuliani in the weeks after the 2020 election. both giuliani and cerelli say they were talk about election fraud issues, things that have been debunked and are incorrect. it's unclear who she was trying to contact with that text to the white house switchboard. we know the oath keepers sent letters to the president in the weeks before january 6th saying they were at the ready, they were ready to fight for, you know, what they believed to be -- if he sent out a note saying martial law or something, the oath keepers would be ready for this. that's what they showed on january 6th. they had quick response forces on the other side of the river ready to fight in a more armored way they did on january 6th if they breached the capitol. >> and a trial for some oath keepers members this week, i think maybe starting as early as today. ben, the big issue is this is i believe the first time of all the people who were there on january 6th rioting, were seditious conspiracy is in play. how could that be different? what would that mean? >> yeah. w

we were a cab ride away from rudy giuliani.o drive all the way out to pittsburgh to provide whatever evidence. we wanted to see the evidence. and when we asked for the evidence that pittsburgh was collecting, and when bill sweeney, the head of the fbi in new york asked for that evidence, he was -- it was declined and we're talking about an fbi, what is called a 302, a summery of interview. we wanted to see it. >> with whom? >> that was i believe with rudy giuliani. and we wanted to see it. it was relevant to what we were looking for -- into. and sweeney wanted to see. it sweeney asked for it and he was declined. i talk about this in the book. he was declined access to it. >> i mean, what is clear in the book is that it wasn't just -- the corruption interference with fbi's ability to function as you said. and ukraine caught my eye for multiple reasons. one, because john bolton has an account from the foreign policy side from the perversion of diplomacy and normal government order by inserting rudy giuliani into u.s. foreign poli

we have rudy giuliani, his father mentioning this idea of the oath keepers and proud boys. i think it's important to make that part of the puzzle as well. so i think this will definitely shape up and won that key moments i will be looking for in this testimony, is this moment on january six when another person who's expecting to testify, they've already told the court in sworn in his plea agreement that on the january 6th, stewart rhodes was in a hotel room trying to get in touch with donald trump, asking a trump intermediary put him in contact directly with donald trump and encouraging that intermediary to tell donald trump to call upon them that night. call them up and make them stop the peaceful transfer of power. that's a moment to definitely watch for in this trial. chris >> barbara, seditious conspiracy is a serious charge, it's not also a slam dunk, beyond people proving it beyond a reasonable doubt. your office brought this charge against a group called the atari militia in michigan. they've been penetrated by fbi agents. they were ultimately acquitted, so i think w

our reporting reports to some of them talking to andrew giuliani.d weeks before january 6, did they have a more direct line? that's something that remains to be seen. >> ben, ryan and david, thanks to all of you. >>> former trump chief of staff mark meadows is scheduled to appear before a grand jury in atlanta today. including, former president trump, then president trump, asking georgia's secretary of state to find those 11,780 votes, so he could beat joe biden in the state. joining us now, blayne alexander at the courthouse, jonathan lemire, and glen kirschner. do we know whether meadows showed up? >> reporter: the short answer is no, we don't know. this is a grand jury. it's a secretive process. we have been watching all of the entrances all day long. we haven't seen him walk in. there is that underground entrance where vehicles can enter. we have no way of knowing whether or not he actually used that entrance. as for what the d.a. wants to hear from him, she's laid out several things. at the top of the that list is information about that now inf

and bowers says it was giuliani who began making crazy claims about voter fraud in arizona. >> i can't give you the exact numbers, but they're kind of of the audacious numbers. like, 200,000 illegal aliens voted. 6,000 military ballots were stolen and used. >> bowers says giuliani wanted him to hold an official arizona house hearing to air these claims publicly. >> and then i said, but what's the whole purpose of this? what are you trying to achieve? and they said, well, we've heard that there's an arcane law in arizona that if you have sufficient cause that you can throw out the biden electors and put in trump electors. and i said, that's a new one to me. i have never, ever heard of that. and so, now you're asking me to do something that's against my oath and i -- i'm not going to do that. >> hear from other voices telling their versions of what went down. don't miss "american coup: the january 6th investigation" that's sunday night at 9:00 eastern here on cnn skand only here on cnn. coming up next, immigrants from texas used as political pawns, critics say. ron desantis is not the on

he was doing it with giuliani who of course has been facing multiple legal problems. the subpoena to seek information about the plan to submit. quote, slates of electors pledged to mr. trump from swing states that were won by joe biden in the 2020 election. maya, i appreciate "the new york times"' clinical reference. another way to say it is massive elector fraud trying to steal the votes of the people in those state who is voted for biden. however you put it, what does it tell you that individuals like mr. carrick are now under this heat newly reported tonight? >> well, the primary thing it tells me is don't do the crime if you can't do the time. in other words, if in fact there are law violations that -- and you are part of it, you are going to get caught up in it. and i want the go back to something emily said that was so important in terms of the players, right, and giuliani holding himself as an attorney for donald trump. but also jack willencheck, the attorney in arizona and phoenix who was the one who, in an email exchange with boris said "fake electors". i mea

and as for people who filed a disciplinary complaint against rudy giuliani.ou're kind of aware that it's kind of a slow boil, but when you put it all together right now, it really is remarkable, and it really goes to what we've been hearing from people like michael cohen for a long time. that there is a tremendous amount of pressure by the former president on his advisers to, as you say, do his bidding. and we've seen that for a long time now. and if anything, it's only, it pressure has only increased, as we see now with a more recent lawyers who are hiring the lawyers. and it's interesting to say, a russian nesting tall, where lawyers who have managed to avoid criminal or other investigations are now representing some of the lawyers who are now under investigation. from reporting and common sense, it's a little hard, for obvious reasons, for former president trump to -- the state. >> david, let's talk about the dynamics at doj which is something you've been reporting on. we now have these two seemingly separate inquiries. there is an investigation into the,

one of the citations here is they mentioned rudy giuliani as a special master and the idea of having someone look over the questions of executive privilege, and that was back in april of 2021. but that was a much more sort of limited circumstance, because that was -- first of all, giuliani wasn't an attorney, so looking over his materials was much more complex, because he had to protect all the materials of talking with his client, so the fbi search -- this could be a particularly cumbersome process when they open up this idea of looking at whether or not executive privilege claims should set some of these records they seized from mar-a-lago aside, because this isn't just rudy giuliani's communications with the president. this is pretty much all of the material from the white house that hard been seized and kept in mar-a-lago. so they're going to have to make these calls about executive privilege on a boat load of documents that were never supposed to be in trump's possession in the first place. i can't imagine this is going to be an expedited process, because it's one thing when you

giuliani had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. in his office on the couch he was scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, "i just had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark sounds like we're going to go to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of, "there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know things might get real, real bad on january 6th." >> seth: he reacted to plans for a violent coup like an exhausted dad who was just told his kids are playing with a bobcat they found in the woods "they're fine. there's three of them. i'm sure they can handle a cat kids, you okay out there [ bobcat snarling [ clattering ] it sounds like they're having fun. so on the one hand, as an people like hutchinson who were and then, on the other hand, there were guys like mark meadows who were just totally [ bleep ] zonked and pretending nothing was happening. dude was just scrolling on his phone, ignoring pleas for help like a lifeguard at a swimming pool who's got o

>> andrew giuliani worked as a sports liaison for the white house.ers, kelly sorrell. she was constantly in contact with him about election fraud lies back in november of 2020. by 2021, she was tried to text somehow for some reason the switchboard at the white house. we don't know why she tried to do that. we don't know who she was trying to text instead, but that's who she was in contact with. we are largely trying to figure out the nexus between the white house, oath keepers, proud boys, these militant groups and the white house itself, but these should give some hints. >> there's a really interesting piece in politico that suggests the proud boys takes price in quote, their ability to convince the mainstream of the republican party that violence is sometimes the answer. how do you make this idea mainstream and clearly we know it got success. >> the goal now is not really for a lot of these people to win elections. it's to replace secretaries of state to get the results they want. if that doesn't happen, violence and intimidation. they realize they

giuliani was standing with a group of people when a man walking past him reached out, touched giuliani'sk and then said something as he walked away. prosecutors say they agree to drop the charges in 6 months. if the man in this video here keeps a clean record. he has not been identified. ok, let's talk a bit about our forecast now taking a live look outside over downtown san francisco. gorgeous view of the city for meteorologist kyla grogan here with more details on what we can expect as we step outdoors. hey, kyla. hey there. it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. there's no denying it. as we take a live look outside of those gorgeous, cloudless blue skies. the transamerica building. they're standing proudly. >> it is going to be really nice day ahead. but my fall leaves him because it is the first day of fall. so happy first day of fall. everybody right now, 69 degrees in san francisco. some nice mid 70's and santa rosa and napa. same story in livermore. fremont about 76 degrees. 72 in san jose. a little bit of a light breeze out there. it is going to out of a westerly component to

it's called giuliani the rise and tragic fall of america's mayor and vivek ramaswamy, the new york times best selling author of woke inc, has a new book out. it looks at the state of american society. it's called nation of victims identity politics, the death of merit and the path back to excellence. npr legal affairs correspondent nina totenberg released her memoir, dinners with ruth. it focuses on her friendship of over 50 years with the late justice ruth bader ginsburg and new yorker war correspondent luke mogul and has a new book out. it's called the storm is here an american crucible. in it, he tracks the rise of right wing extremism and his experience. on january six, 2021, at the u.s. capitol. well, along with newly released books, we like to share some of the recent reviews of books that come out in national publications weekly. agent josephine chronicle. entertainer josephine baker's time as an anti-nazi spy in pre-world war two. paris. although many books and movies have chronicled the career of the santas and her self-exile to france, british journalist damian lewis looks at h

andrew, giuliani, possibly testing members of the group. does any that surprise you?ns telling a friend group, it's not like the right in the middle of it all. >> yeah, now, it does not surprise me at all, and i think we're gonna see a lot of revelations coming out, during the trial about connections with specifically, roger stone, giuliani, i'm sure. but i think it was really kind of stone that was probably the one taking the lead and opening lines of communication between the campaign, and then a ministration -- leaders of these different -- >> seditious conspiracy theories, those are serious charges. to think this is making any current members of the oath keepers kind of wake up to how serious this is, and the trouble they could all be in? >> i'm sure hope it is. i think it depends on how much account help, whether or not there are any repercussions to the events we saw, the violent insurrection we saw on january 6th. because thus far, there has not really been any really count held through these leaders. there's been some times, sure, but cases dismissed, and the

>> rudy giuliani. >> rudy giuliani, the toughest prosecutor this city has ever seen. >> right, but who about the fact that we have people unfairly -- >> all right. give me an idea. what do you want to change? >> are we moving or -- >> i was waiting for you to say something, but if you don't have anything you want to say, i'll go to ainsley. ainsley, she brought up people are locked up for pot. they always trot that out. >> because it's true. >> you basically have to murder someone to get arrested and stabbed bstand behind bars in n. the guy trying to protect his bodega, there's murder charges, and when people try to push alvin bragg, he changes his mind and drops the charges. that's what it took. how many other people are out there that the media doesn't know about, charged with murder, because they defended their business? that guy worked every single day, so hard to put food on the table for his family, and some guy comes in, threatens him with a knife, he's killed, but everybody defends the victim. nobody cares about the victim. what about the boy who died, run over by the car, alle

they even subpoenaed rudy's outgoing voicemail message. >> you've reached rudy giuliani.e to the phone right now, because i am passed out under a pile of coats. if you're returning a butt dial, please my call my ass directly. beep! ( applause ) >> stephen: i like that he says his own beep "beep!" perhaps the juiciest subpoena is the one delivered to "mypillow" c.e.o. and mentalist trying to read his own mind, mike lindell. yesterday, lindell said this on social media: >> today the f.b.i.-- you're gonna hear this, you're probably already hearing it in the news-- the f.b.i. came after me and took my phone. they surrounded me at a hardees. >> stephen: yes. ( laughter ) ( applause ) they surrounded him at a hardies. in fact-- this is true-- he was in the drive-through. ( as employee over speaker ) "chhhhhzt. welcome to hardee's. you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. but you have the right to an attorney, and you can pick him up at the window. please pull around." ( applause ) later on, lindell somehow got boo

investigation, also documents from the rudy giuliani investigation. she also did the michael cohen case. the former retired judge, again, from the district court in d.c. circuit whose name is tom griffith. and on the trump side they're recommending ramon deery, a former chief judge in the eastern district of new york, and paul huck jr. who is a former jones day partner, jones day representative of the trump campaign in 2016. some close republican ties right there. don? >> laura, i want to bring you in now. what about this issue of clearances that's been so critical for all of this? what could any of this mean? >> just think about this. we're talking about tumts of the highest security level, the highest classification levels. there were agents on the scene we've been told in the reporting that weren't even able through their own clearances to review what they may be taking from mar-a-lago. the idea you're going to have get someone not only up to speed in the review as evan was talking about, but be authorized to see the documents, go through a securit

>> it shows the link between the oath copers and the white house, and andrew giuliani was texting with for trump and involved in a lot of efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and some of what she saw was in detroit and it was later debunked, because she thought what she thought was a box of ballots and it was a tv crew's equipment, and a lot of nonsense that was being thrown around in 2020, and kelly surel, she told the oath keepers to delete their text messages, and she was charged herself in relation to the january 6th riot, and she invoked the fifth amendment so her testimony will not happen now. >> you and ryan also report that kelly sorelle also tried a white house number on december 20th, and journalists, hunter walker, that text message went to a white house switchboard line so couldn't be delivered. what is it that we keep hearing about the contacts? >> you probably meant to text somebody else, and we don't know who that was intended for, and it could have been andrew giuliani or somebody else. we don't know the nexus here. who was connected to who from the oath keepers and t

sidney powell's people were involved in this, this rudy giuliani connection, so that's where it getsecause it's one thing to say you think somebody might be pulling the strings, it's another thing to see the people on the video tape. >> again, the timing here, day of the breach to a voting system when we see the video captures people entering that elections office. if investigators can prove any of those people illegally breached the voting system, how much trouble are they in? >> so this is not really something that federal law addresses, but all 50 states have laws that cover this, including georgia. so there are laws against interfering with voting apparatus and intrusions, so it depends on what they can prove was done. but one way is to charge them with the lowest level crimes leak a computer intrusion, then you flip them and talk to them about who they were working with and go up the chain to see if you can build a bigger conspiracy case. >> again, kathy latham is already under investigation in two criminal investigations or at least involved in these two b this is the fulton co

but to be fair, what woman wants to admit they know rudy giuliani? ( applause ) some january 6th rioters are finally facing consequences, like insurrectionist and injury attorney for racehorses, couy griffin. "should you or a loved one be turned into glue? some say yes. i say 'neigh.'" ( laughter ) that's his commercial for the injury. in addition to storming the capitol, griffin is the founder of cowboys for the former president. i just hope no one tells those cowboys where their rootin' tootin' hero is from. where is that again? >> new york city?! ( laughter ) >> stephen: griffin actually works for the government he was trying to overthrow, serving as a new mexico county commissioner from 2019 up until lunchtime yesterday. because that's when a judge ordered that couy griffin be removed from office for his role in the capitol riot-- ( cheers and applause ) citing-- citing section 3 of the 14th amendment: "no person shall hold any office, who, office who, having previously taken an oath to support the constitution of the united states, shall have en

of course rudy giuliani is tweeting out a my pillow rudy promo code -- mike lindell also revealed what the fbi agents asked him about at that hardee's drive-through in minnesota. he told former trump white house strategist churned podcast podcast -- or sebastian gorka -- they are all podcaster's. -- tina peters. >> did the agent ever tell you why the hell they were stopping you? >> they -- and then they asked me, what is this about? then they asked me, when i met tina peters. i said, you are the fbi, you know i met her at the cyber symposium a year ago. of course you know that. everybody knows that. >> okay, so, tina peters, who is she? she was one of the speakers at that election conspiracy cyber symposium as he euphemistically called it. mike lindell put that together last august. and that was where he claimed that he would reveal this definitive, demonstrative proof that the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump. and of course, you know, like all of this, there it is all nonsense, there's no evidence. it's made up. lies lies, lies, lies. tina peters, though, is a really importa

you had kelly's rl, nbc news found out kelly was texting a white house aide and the son of rudy giulianiree and you get a rudy giuliani that was just yesterday or today. >> we are running out of time. the committee has basically said hey, thanks for your service that you are kind of out of pocket here. you have every right to publish as reporters we want to get all the info we can but what contributed to your idea to put this out now moving ahead of them doing the book and breaking ties with the committee. do they have appointed as an employee of you kind of went sideways even they say that you violated some of your employment agreement. >> i and him employee of the american people and the data belongs to the people. it doesn't belong to the committee. >> i appreciate you being here. i would fact check that essay the american people have not hired you lately but here you signed agreements to be confidential to the end and you're not doing that. >> i did not sign any agreements to be confidential. when i came onto the committee it was underneath the threshold so i could still consult so i

of course, former president trump ally, rudy giuliani, was doing a whole shadow activity in ukraine.ael cohen case. for the first time we've heard jeff berman respond to why former president trump was noted in the indictment as individual number one but never prosecuted. he said he didn't have enough evidence. he said evidence against one individual doesn't evenly apply against another individual.

and we know that, again, mayor giuliani, rudy giuliani in the 90s broke out the broken windows methodaller crimes and that will stop the bigger ones. now the smaller crimes are not being handled and again we have the bigger ones coming up on us. it is a bad situation. >> ainsley: sad to see our city in this state and so many across the country, thank you, councilman, for joining us. >> ainsley: thank you. >> ainsley: you are not alone, other democrats are planning on voting for lee zeldin as well. janice? >> hello, ainsley, let's take a look across the northeast, much improved conditions from yesterday, we had showers and thunderstorms in a cold front moved through. today much better, let's take a look at the maps. i will show you the temperatures across the nation. 66 right now in new york, 59 in chicago so we are feeling some of that fall air moving. although it is not officially fall yet, we are looking at potential for showers and thunderstorms all across the corners, they need the rain but the flash flooding will be a problem for areas in nevada and sections of the four corners i

donald trump will use to be his lawyer in this instance, and christina bobb, or it could be rudy giuliani, these people will have access to the crown jewels of our classified intelligence information. and as we've heard, there is somee' pretty explosive stuff i here, relating to the national defense. having that information in the hands of people who are not reliable government answers, is definitely a risk to national security. >> the other piece of this is the time line. the government has wanted to wrap this up pretty expeditiously. we are now given an extended deadline here from judge cannon to november 30th but there is kind of anud appeals process fo every batch of documents that either side takes issue with, in terms of classification. could this slide into next year, barb? >> i'm afraid it could. now one thing she did say is she asked tosa prioritize the 100 o so classified documents. so he will look at those, make a decision, and turn them over. but of course, that's where all of the action is. i can imagine donald trump makingi an argument there, aft judge deary makes his ruling

he had been leaned on by people like rudy giuliani and some of of the trump legal team, but to see him talking with meadows via text is remarkable. >> we heard recently about the criminal investigations at the state and federal level into these efforts to obtain the voting machines. perhaps illegally. is this connected to that at all? >> there's no evidence this is directly related, but there are several incidents where similar efforts to gain access to voting machines happened in colorado, michigan, georgia, now that is being investigated by prosecutors. and it involves some of same people that they are working with. there's no direct link, but it's interesting the overlap between what was happening in december 2020 and what was happening months later. >> he's really the through line. >> he was working with rudy giuliani and the trump legal team trying to find any sort of of evidence that could hold up their privet louse legal challenges. ultimately, he made his way into the the highest levels of the white house. he was texting with the chief of staff at the time. he proposed draft ex

giuliani has already testified but no details have been disclosed about their testimony. >>> now to a truly inspirational story from the world of sports. after losing badly at wimbledon and hinting at a possible retirement, tennis superstar serena williams is moving on to the third round of the u.s. open. she beat the world number two on wednesday night. williams says she is playing well because she loves the challenge, she doesn't have anything to prove and she has absolutely nothing to lose. >> i just feel like i have had a big red x on my back since i won the u.s. open in '99. and it has been there my entire career. because i won my first grand slam early in my career. and so -- but here it is different. i feel like i've already won, you know, figuratively and mentally. and it is just really awesome the things that i've done. and so i never think about it. and, yeah, so tonight i was like -- just play, be serena, you are better than this. and that is what i was able to do. >> serena williams will face the australian on friday. for more, here is carolyn manno. >> reporter: serena wi

rudy giuliani had a special master that was appointed in june of 2021. the last we heard from that special master was in january of this year, six months later. that's still going. but again, these cases involved cell phones, laptops, millions of documents. i think that they can get this done in about a month or so. that's actually what doj estimated that it would take. now, important to know the judge has said, doj, you cannot use these documents until the special master's done in your investigation. but intelligence parts of our government, you can still use these documents, rely on them when you're trying to do a damage assessment and correction. >> let's now approach what's the next step for doj? >> well, they have to decide if they want to appeal. important to know. here's where we are in the federal courts. we are at the district court, which is the trial court level. if they want to take an appeal, and doj can, they will go up to the court of appeals. we're in the 11th circuit, victor. that is one of the most conservative courts of appeals in the

remember, there was that testimony from cassidy hutchinson that when she walked rudy giuliani to thesn't it going to be great on january 6th, cass? trump's going to look so strong. he's going to go into the capitol. he's going to be there with the members of congress and the senators." what did that mean? was that part of this plan with members of congress, that he was going to have some sort of grand arrival and they were going to stop everything and halt the vote? was that part of the plan? did it change? there was also indication that there was a plan for a second rally on the steps of the supreme court, which is of course right across the street from the capitol. was there an effort and planning by trump and these members of congress to breach the building and to do something more than just vocalize their political views? i think that is what part of this investigation is about. and enough questions have been raised, i think that the justice department has a responsibility to find out. >> barbara, let me read this line to you. because i keep reading it. it seems extraordinary. th

you had rudy giuliani. you had a team of lawyers.l trying to create the case for why the election was faulty. now, the one piece they were missing, the one piece they were missing was any evidence, any evidence whatsoever that there were any problems in the election. so imagine if, you know, that whole group of people were able to point to a location in georgia where ballots had been erased. now, who knows what these individuals were doing there. you about let's just imagine that there was evidence of tampering. that's the evidence they need. now, by the way, they don't apparently need evidence, right? because as we know, there is no evidence and yet a significant portion of the american population remains convinced that there was. but boy, if they could have held up an example of a tampered-with voting machine, that might have been enough to delay -- to cause senators like senator cruz to object successfully to ballots. so again, maybe an apparently small event in georgia, but it could have had catastrophic consequence forz our elec

weather is michael cohen, rudy giuliani, jeff clark. if they were lied to they can save themselves by turning on him. they can provide testimony under this exception. if they want to go down with the ship and that is their problem. they're gonna point walks in and you have to, say who is more important. is it yourself or this clinton lied to you. so, now imagine donald trump response to his saying, no i never said that to him. i never said that. so he is denying what your client to saying and your client told you this. the client is now saying no i never told him. that where does that leave him in defense of kevin corbin's position? >> so if evan or christina were smart they documented exactly what donald trump told them and then. he said i've never known a lawyer to take notes, he hated that when it got to government. that's what good lawyers, do you document what is told to you especially by klein, particularly if the client like donald trump was a problem with the truth so that you can cover yourself and your own agatha corresponds a

rudy giuliani.udy giuliani, 9/11 was your shining achievement and now it's your blood alcohol level. god, man. no one has squandered a legacy more than you. you used to be i ahero. now everyone hates you. i guess it's nice that white people finally have our o.j. simpson. [ applause ] you're guilty. and we all know it. ted cruz. ted cruz. everything is bigger in texas except your sad, soggy penis. [ laughter ] ted of course has put on a couple pounds over the past few years. but honestly, that's what happens when you're constantly eating. trump's ass. [ cheers and applause ] and finally, marjorie taylor greene is proof that the left and the right really can come together. just look at her eyes. [ laughter ] i actually appreciate this woman because now i know what it would look like if i had a daughter with mickey rourke. [ laughter ] marjorie, of course, is anti-abortion and sadly, so was her mom. [ laughter ] [ applause ] am i going too hard on poor marjorie? marjorie, she's had a rough week. i shou

nbc reporter call about that tiny tip, we found out that kellye sorelle was dusting texting andrew giulianihe issues that you get a look at the data. they might look at thousands of leads, but these are not counterterrorism analysts. and what i'm saying, though, is that the investigation is going great. the committee has done well. but we are in a new war. we are in a forever war of information. and you have to look at these tiny pieces of data to really put together the command and control architecture that these individuals used. and the fact is, i think some of those dialogues that they're having, which some of it, some of its sad, i'm not a sociopath. sometimes, i get my feelings hurt. but they're still using our same data teams, the ones i built, the contrast, lines and lines of data, the text messages. that's all of our team. that's me. you don't, i find it interesting they say that. >> here's the other thing that i got from schiff's statement there, right? is that they understand they have a target painted on their back, right? and anything, and slipup, any error is going to be the s