provocative one and it's meant to be has to just know more is a direct reference to a quote made by horace mann commonly considered the father of our education system about 175 years ago. he said that educators are

provocative one and it's meant to be has to just know more is a direct reference to a quote made by horace mann commonly considered the father of our education systemut

reporter: the student was horace mann he has considered the father of public education in america. >>ren have a right to education and education should be tax supported. >> not only public education for white people but he thought that native americans, people of color, women should have the equal opportunity to secure a good education and when he became the president of antioch college, he opened the doors to women, to native americans, to people of color all on an equal basis. reporter: unfortunately, benjamin franklin never got to visit his town in massachusetts. he died in 1790 shortly after donating the collection. what do you think he would have thought of his namesake town? >> i think he would be happy. he will -- that we established a very nice home for his books. he would be happy to know his books started something very positive. i think he was hoping someone in this town would prefer sense to sound. judy: that is a nice note. tonight on pbs, independent lends presents a documentary about the culture of hazing on university campuses. hazing from a filmmaker takes a deep dive

provocative one and it's meant to be has to just know more is a direct reference to a quote made by horace mann commonly considered the father of our education system about 175 years ago. he said that educators are entitled to look upon parents as having given hostages to our cause and i think the last two years have really given families across the country a front-row seat into how many ways their children really have been held hostage to a system that for too many of them is simply not working. and so this is a book about what we do to fix american education and and that is that's the reason for the title and the subtitle about american education freedom, which i'm sure we're going to talk about. absolutely. we definitely going to talk about it, but before that, you talk about your childhood in holland, michigan. tell us about growing up in holland. about your family. were you inspired by a mentor or teachers that got you on your on your life's journey? sure, so i was born and raised in holland, michigan both my parents are, you know children of immigrant families from the netherlands and sta

provocative one and it's meant to be has to just know more is a direct reference to a quote made by horace mann commonly considered the father of our education system about 175 years ago. he said that educators are entitled to look upon parents as having given hostages to our cause and i think the last two years have really given families across the country a front-row seat into how many ways their children really have been held hostage to a system that for too many of them is simply not working. and so this is a book about what we do to fix american education and and that is that's the reason for the title and the subtitle about american education freedom, which i'm sure we're going to talk about. absolutely. we definitely going to talk about it, but before that, you talk about your childhood in holland, michigan. tell us about growing up in holland. about your family. were you inspired by a mentor or teachers that got you on your on your life's journey? sure, so i was born and raised in holland, michigan both my parents are, you know children of immigrant families from the netherlands and sta