today we're talking with mark goodman, a global strategist who's worked with the f, b, i and interpol, and founded the future crimes institute at silicon valley's singularity university . he is the author of future crimes inside the digital underground and the battle for our connected world. mark goodman, it's terrific to be with you and i need to tell our audience that this is a conversation you and i have been having literally for more than a decade. and i want to put something up on the screen for our audience. from something you wrote in the atlantic a decade ago, and in it, it's called hacking the articles, co, hacking the president's dna. i'd loved our audience, they get a feel for you. what you feel are the greatest fragility right now as we look forward to technological advancement. how can these be turned around in very disconcerting ways? well, thank you steve. busy for having me on your show, it's great to reconnect again in terms of your question, technology has always decided battles throughout history. the people who had the most ships, the people who had the best musket