or let's discuss this further with our gas now author and former british diplomats, william mullins, and thank you very much for joining us on the program. it's nice to see you and mr . martin, and do you think it's been difficult for germany to break with this traditional policy that is had since world war 2 and send this weaponry into ukraine? well, very difficult, but don't forget there's an element is hypocrisy here. because germany is sending alma vehicles to greece just so that greece can send a load of them to, to the ukraine. so remember that, but we can't understand the psychological games that ellen lensky is playing the germany, unless we know the basic history, which is simply just before the cold war, broke out off of the last world war. there was a plan to make germany in agriculture state's, but then the cold war broke out and suddenly everything changed. and the idea was to rearm germany. that's what happened since then, let's not forget, germany has always been occupied in a way by america. i mean, there are 21 military basis in america. there's ramstein, there's bou