richard, at the start of this week, edward snowden was gone to russian citizenship by presidential decree. he applied for it more than a year and a half ago tweeting at the time that he and his wife had no desire to be separated from my son. that's why in this area of pandemic includes borders where applying for dual us russian citizenship back in 2013 snowden was behind. one of the most consequential intelligence breaches in us history have a tiny classified documents from the national security agency revealing and the legal program of government phone surveillance targeting millions of americans feeling he'd be charged under the u. s. espionage act. snowdon fled to hong kong. then moscow, and got stuck in russia when us authorities revoked his talk port is problematic. and of course i would like to return to the united states. that is the ultimate goal. but if i'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison, the one, the bottom line demand that we all have to agree to is that at least i get a fair trial. the government wants to have a different kind of trial. and they want to use speci

i admire people like edward snowden, julian assange, mike wallace. i don't know what is happened. i don't know why the billion-dollar corporations are doing the job. his left scrappy broke entrepreneurial enterprising people but so be it. >> james o'keefe project veritas and of the author of this book american muckraker rethinking journalism for the 21st cen i'm so excited to have this conversation with you. you know, as a fellow saint louis and i followed your political career and you actually represent the district that i was raised in. oh, wow. yeah, like i'm from florissant. yes. yes. i used to live in floors. yes, i have heard. so i'm just excited. and so let's just dig in. i'm talking to you about your new book, the the forerunner. so i want to talk about this, the opening. so you go in really deep, really quickly t

i admire people like edward snowden, julian assange, mike wallace. i don't know what is happened. i don't know why the billion-dollar corporations are doing the job. his left scrappy broke entrepreneurial enterprising people but so be it. >> james o'keefe project veritas and of the author of this book american muckraker rethinking journalism for the 21st i'm

is the biggest donor country we know from edward snowden, the bugging of secretary generals, i've spoken to a whole number of un special repertoires over the years. you've spoken to me privately. i'm not naming any of them about the pressure more back from the secretariat. as regards which side human rights violations should, should fall on. and this comes in a week in which the us all but admitted that human rights is really something to be used to further the aim of washington, the military industrial complex. ironically, hey, with the help of pharmaceutical government fire that was made by agra because of course they said, look, the human rights, the situation. saudi arabia must be looked at. not because the human rights situations out here a bit because the opec plus production can announce as regards oil supply. so i think we have to remember these are going to be regurgitated in the western press. they occur in the canadian press, the u. s. west european union, u. k. press. there is complete mentorship, european union calendar in britain. they don't allow anyone to say anything oth

we know the cases of julian assange, bradley, my jesse manning, and so on these as edward snowden, of course, these people were directly persecuted for talking about the truth. this is, you know, in the case of a journalism, but such cases are also known in the world of scholarship. so that sort of thing exists and we know about it. and we know some of the most shocking cases. but then i also probably a lot of cases that get muffled up. we don't hear about that's the 1st. and the 2nd thing is that of course, there are organized lobbies, for example, people who claim to be speaking for ukraine. and i say claim to be because look what they're advocating, which is to continue this war is actually destroying ukraine if they had in scott said that, you know, last at the end of last year or earlier this year. okay. signed them ins, agreements, you know, listen to russia, security concerns, they are legitimate, etc. we would never be here. there would have been no reason for the russian military actions, et cetera. you see at the present moment, the rest's actions are so patently a patently

he himself was forcibly imprisoned in austrian vienna because the cia was sure there was edward snowdenboard, but as you can see, the united states can do everything without any condemnation of the west and blinded human rights activists. the devil came here yesterday. with this speech, hugo chavez began the confrontation between venezuela and the united states for the leader, although not a small country, 26 million people live, but not a superpower, such a statement was a challenge to the us imperial order the united states all sorts of scattered to prepare a coup d'etat and overthrow. uh, those forces that came to power on the anti-american anti- pyrialist as they say in latin america are constantly on the line, or maybe commit political assassinations, the united states does not hesitate to commit political assassinations at all. this is their genre. actually. it wasn't chavez who fired the first cia back in 2001. preparing for the elections on april 11, 2002. there was an attempted coup, also through the military and the opposition. then demanded to resign. he refused and was kidna

he himself was forcibly imprisoned in austrian vienna because the cia was sure there was edward snowdenrd, but as you can see, the united states can do everything without any condemnation of the west and blinded human rights activists. the devil came here yesterday. with this speech, hugo chavez began the confrontation between venezuela and the united states for the leader, although not a small country , 26 million people live, but not a superpower, such a statement was a challenge to the imperial order of the united states . ah, the forces that came to power on the anti-american anti- pyrialist as they say latin america is constantly on the line, or maybe commit political assassinations in the united states is not at all shy about committing political assassinations. this is their genre. actually. it wasn't chavez who fired the first cia back in 2001. preparing for the elections on april 11, 2002. there was an attempted coup, also through the military and the opposition. then they demanded to resign. he refused and was kidnapped americans were quite satisfied with some kind of puppet g

he himself was forcibly imprisoned in austrian vienna because the cia was sure there was edward snowden as you can see, the united states can do everything without any condemnation of the west and blinded human rights activists. the devil came here yesterday. this speech by hugo chavez began the confrontation between venezuela and the united states for a leader, although not a small country, has 26 million people, but not a superpower, such a statement was a challenge to the imperial order of the united states the united states every time tried to prepare a coup d'état and overthrow. uh, those forces that came to power on the anti-american anti- pyrialist as they say in latin america are constantly on the line, or maybe commit political assassinations, the united states does not hesitate to commit political assassinations at all. this is their genre. actually. not chavez fired the first cia already in 2001. preparing for the elections on april 11, 2002. there was an attempted coup, also through the military and the opposition became more frequent then they demanded to resign. he refused

whistleblower and grandson who showed up at the funeral dressed like that... ( laughter ) edward snowdence leaking details of the n.s.a.'s domestic surveillance program, snowden has been living in exile in russia. well, yesterday, it was announced that he was granted russian citizenship. that is a rough bit of timing, bud. ( laughter ) "congratulations, new citizen. put right hand on potato and repeat after me: 'i,' state your name-- ( laughter ) 'i,' state your name, 'solemnly swear to immediately go to be exploded in ukraine.' here is passport and weapon-- sharpened tampon." ( laughter ) other people-- ( applause ) ( laughter ) true story. that's based on a true story. ( cheers and applause ) other people are choosing russian citizenship by force, because putin has made occupied parts of ukraine vote on joining russia in "sham" referendums. ( audience reacts ) and i'm being told we have a copy of that ballot. "should ukraine join russia? da? super da? or, d'ahhh i'm falling out of the window!" ( laughter ) very slippery floors. >> louis: slippery floors. you know. they'll get you. >> s

this is the kind of age edward snowden, the early revelation, evidence about the nsa's wiretapping and electronic surveillance programs. and one of the kind of explosive stories in that moment was the extent to which which internet, corporate conglomerates were, so to speak, in bed with the government. and i thought to myself, well, where does this come from? and it turns out these relations ships are as old. the wires themselves western union in the age of the telegraph really pushed back on government attempts to both tap telegraph lines and also access messages. but in the age of the telephone from the beginning as the saying went ma bell was big handmade and over. the telephone carriers around the country. importantly the bell system found it quite beneficial to. provide information also access to kind of infrastructure, telecommunications infrastructure for the purpose law enforcement and national security, surveillance it was in bell's interest mostly because it kept them in the good graces of government regulators. that relationship changes in the 1980s with the break up of the

if there's a concern you don't charge trump it's difficult to charge the next edward snowden?ngs like that, but they really fall i think closer to the recesses of his mind. i think that he's thinking about this case and how the law applies specifically in this instance and so yes, i think that this tends to be an area the mishandling of classified documents that triggers the justice department as a whole in a very particular sort of way, and i'm sure that's escalated things to him more quickly than the january 6th investigations have. but i really do think when it comes to the ultimate decision of whether to go forward when you reach that moment of prosecutorial discretion, when garland is the prosecutor and the discretion is his, i think it's really how does the law apply in this instance and bring a case that can persuade a jury that will stick on appeal. i think the black and white nature of this tips time. >> from your understanding of him and from talking to people close to him, you know, something that's so -- i've covered trump for six years and the response to being un

these are the kinds of documents that, you know, edward snowden would have jumped for joy to get their value lies precisely in the grave danger they present to the united states and anybody looking at these documents and what he took and deciding should we charge him would have to say there's never been a case in the history of the u.s. involving such serious documents where charges were not brought. in that sense, criminality is very much on the table as a result of the highest level of seriousness that these documents present, and of course, it begs the question, as ben said, he chose to keep them, and he chose to conceal these very ones, why. their value lies precisely in the absolute grave damage they could do to everyone's national interests and especially anybody to works with the united states abroad. >> i spoke to sue gordon shortly after the seizure of the first batch, i think, of classified documents. here's what she said about what he would have had and the danger of him having it would have been. let me play that for you jim. >> he has had at his disposal for a long period