what are you talking about kevin mccarthy, have to say which kevin mccarthy are we talking about.carthy one point always on us. he's had a truck conversation with trump, call your people off. he said trump was responsible, unfortunately that iteration of kevin mccarthy lasted about a week or so. he then goes down to mar-a-lago, couple weeks later, kisses the rain, comes out of it, kevin mccarthy aspiring speaker of the house. he has no credibility, he's in a cover-up mode, he's an image reparation mode. >> it's not hard for me to believe that the president was lying to him. was one part of the conversation that was overheard where they said they thought will maybe you should be a little bit more upset as well. >> who said? the trump of that to mccarthy? >> maybe you should be a little bit more upset. >> i think we are saying something similar in that no one believed that donald trump was not watching television. i think the point of that particular revelation, even in spite of knowing that, he relate to some of the defense mode of the president of the united states, no, no, no he

hear secretly recorded audio from a private meeting in june 2021 between house minority leader, kevin mccarthy police officers. who risked their lives to defend the capital on january 6th. along with the mother of a third police officer who died. after the riot. so mccarthy insisted them. that then president trump had no idea that his own supporters were carrying out the attack. this audit was recorded by -- one of the police officers who were grievously enjoyed trying to defend the capital. >> [inaudible] i don't know that he did know that. >> cnn senior legal analyst elie honig joins us and china governor, jeff duncan, is back with us along with former congressman, mia love. congresswoman i know you have exchange with kevin mccarthy today, i believe. what did he say? >> he said it is true. that when he called the president of the president did not know. and i remember, actually, jimmy herrera butler. or congresswoman jamie herrera beutler saying she overheard the conversation. it got pretty heated. where mccarthy said. who the f do you think you are? >> i believe that the president was watch

what we heard from kevin mccarthy. exactly. sumi sum westcan to thank you so much, always great speaking to you. ah. only a couple of days ago, not many people knew about l nasir copy, but after the rain in climber participated in a competition in south korea without a he job. her name made international headlines, she was applauded for her bravery for her show of support towards the protest movement and then disappeared. last night she received a hero's welcome and terran but fears are she might yet face punishment. hm. competitive climate illness recovery is back in a ran greeted by a bouquet of flowers and cheering crowds outside terren air force. but it's unclear whether any of this is staged and water fate is now. she appeared without a headscarf june, a competition in south korea the weekend. you know, they, these lamps, republic mandates that all female athletes where the he jab, recovery his claim competing without the head jab was unintentional and she denied report. she'd gone missing for around a day after t

and now you have kevin mccarthy who's in the surrender caucus. he's in the surrender caucus along with a think tank, i'm not even going to mention their name, it's so disgusting who they're being allies with. and come on, "wall street journal" editorial page. don't just vomit out reports that this -- that this think tank that now aligns itself with italian fascists and aligns itself with tulsi gabbard and aligns itself with american-firsters, lindberghs of the world. don't just -- don't attack america's military and say america's military is weak. because, these lindberghian american firsters who embraced tulsi gabbard's vision of the world, who celebrates the rise of italian politicians from a party that -- whose founding was in an italian fascism. don't embrace those people. but this is where -- this is where kevin mccarthy's republican party is going. an isolationist party that like donald trump, want to surrender europe, want to surrender western democracy, want to surrender freedom to the likes of vladimir putin, orban, and yes, an ill liber

and kevin mccarthy, of course, is the house minority leader. so that means he's the top republican in the house of representatives right now. and as you said, this is an issue that until now has gotten broad bipartisan support. i mean, both parties have been very eager to show that they are firmly behind ukraine. the white house is set on multiple occasions that they see this war as fundamental to us security as well. congress has approved tens of billions of dollars of humanitarian aid at the white house, a cent, of course, billions of dollars worth of military equipment as well. so these comments have raised eyebrows. nicole and i thought it was interesting what the white house said . they were asked about mccarthy's comments and the press secretary, karen, john pierre didn't really address it. and she thanked congress for its bipartisan work and supporting ukraine. and she said, quote, the white house will continue to monitor those conversations on these efforts and support ukraine as long as it takes. so this is the 1st time we're hearing s

kevin mccarthy.publicans are in favor of impeachment. but we've also said, we don't know what they're gonna impeach him for. they're not saying one thing, they want to impeach biden for. that goes back to the big lie, and 60% of the republicans don't believe that joe biden is a legitimate president because they don't believe he was elected justly. so, they would want him to be removed from office if you believe that they -- and who's the guy that allow the big lie to become republican gospel. kevin mccarthy. weeks after the insurrection, after there was a mob that stormed the capitol, that wanted to kill mike pence, chanting hang mike pence. kevin mccarthy, a couple weeks later, flew down to mar-a-lago and got his picture taken with trump. but we should have been shutting if he had any backbone. but kevin mccarthy thought it was better to appease the ego of the loser of the election. even if it meant selling out his virtues, selling out the country, selling out his party. and his twitter handle's, go

but kevin mccarthy really wants to be speaker of the house. and he will do anything to be speaker of the house. you know, he's not concerned about his legacy. he's only concerned with retaining power and obtaining that position. and so what he did was, you know, in the immediate aftermath of january 6, he saw it for what it was. he voiced that, vocalized it on the house floor. and then when he realized it was going to be politically disadvantageous to stay that course. he reversed course, went down to mar-a-lago, kissed trump's ass. and now we're seeing, you know, a very different approach to what january 6th was for him and the rest of the republican party. >> well, yeah, the polling on this is shocking. republicans on whole are more prone to believe january 6 was a legitimate today than they were previously. >> and that said, it's a combination you've got fox news pumping propaganda out, downplaying, you know, the reality of that day. and then you also have elected representatives in congress and other political positions going back to their

kevin mccarthy doesn't have the power to--if donald trump says impeached joe biden, what's kevin mccarthy do? >> this is not a case, chris, where either mccarthy can attempt to herd the cats were, boehner, and ryan tried to do before him. or a case where he will just simple humor people like marjorie taylor greene and others of the maga caucus by giving them one plum committee assignment or giving them one opportunity to offer a piece of legislation. no, her point is that the maga base is the center of gravity in the republican party. i think she happens to be right, and that if mccarthy knows what's good for him. if he wants to not only become speaker but state speaker, then he will have to essentially acquiesce to this agenda. >> you write this from the new york times. you say, in victory greene's voice might well become drowned out amid the growing chorus of maga supplicants, impeach biden? when she first proposed in january, 21 eyes roll. knows all but given the gop has majority with seas come reginald swiftly peace greetings proceedings. the ghani assertion back in 2021. now even the

for the violence on january 6th kevin mccarthy defended trump's inaction to the most incredible group, frankly. nbc news has obtained audio of a private meeting last summer in june between mccarthy and officers michael fanone and harry dunn. they experienced the unimaginable, defending the u.s. capitol on january 6th. the mother of slain officer brian sicknick was also there. mccarthy told them simply he didn't know, trump had no idea who was doing it and what was happening at the capitol. wasn't watching tv. remember mccarthy's desperate call urging trump to call off the -- >> he's watching television. he's watching it with his family. i mean, what the hell kind of man is this? i'm sorry. >> when i called him, he wasn't watching tv. he wasn't with his family. >> he knew what was going on. he knows this he were fighting for hours and hours and hours. >> i'm just telling you from my phone call i don't know that he did know that at that point. >> literally all he does is watch tv. this is all trump does and did. officer fanone of course was beaten, tased, attacked repeatedly on january

you've seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president having a swearing conversation. present was basically saying naw, i'm ok with this. >> i had a conversatn at some point in the day or week after the riot with kevin mccarthy. it was similar to what jamie had about how he called and asked the president to get them to stop. in the presence at something along the lines of maybe these people are more angry about this than you are. i had a conversation similar to that withevin in the days and weeks after the violence. >> we know how kevin mccarthy described president trump's conduct both in public and in private. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress i mob writers. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action from president trump. to accept his share of responsibility, quell the brewing unrest and ensure president-elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. let me be very clear to all of you, and i've been clear to the president, he bears responsibility for h w

they only need to win five to flip the house for congressman kevin mccarthy to come house speaker kevinarthy. how worried are democrats? just today biden directed the democratic committee to transfer another $18 million to help house and senate democrats in their races. that include a high profile race in new york featuring the head of the democratic congressional campaign committee, a member of house lip. the dccc is so worried about it own chairman, sean patrick maloney, that the dccc is throwing another $600,000 in the race to defend him. that alone for at democrats is alarming. but when democrats are concerned about house seats in new england, that is a flashing red light. first lady jill biden heads to rhode island tomorrow to help a democratic house candidate there. vice president kamala harris visited connecticut earlier this month to help a house democratic candidate there, and republicans are reportedly now recommitting money in new hampshire to try to unseat democratic senator maggie hassan. continuing our trip now through the political landscape, let's go visit my home common

no. >> in the midst of this violent chaos, kevin mccarthy implored donald trump to tell his supporters and the mob to leave the capitol and when that did not work mccarthy called trump's adult children to try to intercede with trump to call off the insurrection violence. in prior hearings were sold you a description of what -- about his conversation with trump during the violence. president trump's former chief of staff has come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> i asked kevin mccarthy who is the republican leader about this. he said he finally got through to donald trump should he said you have got to get on twitter and call these people off. you know what the president said to him? he said these are my people. kevin responded and said they are your people. they literally came through my office windows and my staff are running for cover. we to call them off. the president's response to me was chilling. he said well, kevin. i guess they are more upset about the election then you are. you have seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president having a swearing c

kevin mccarthy gives a window into his agenda. should republicans take back the house. >>> martial law. russia signs off on new decrees from vladimir putin trying to exert more power over ukraine. >>> president biden in a new move designed to help your budget a bit and hopes also maybe his outlook. in just a short while the president announces a batch of new oil drawn from the strategic petroleum reserve, some 15 million barrels and his energy team today won't rule out releasing more oil over the winter. team biden hopes adding a little more supply to the market keeps prices stable, maybe even helps drive them down a bit. the hope is voters see this as proof the president is doing whatever he can to help in an election year where worries about inflation and the economy are a big drag on democrats. straight to the white house live to our cnn's phil mattingly. tell us more. >> reporter: look, there are few things that the individuals in the building behind me care about more than gas prices, yes, it has a massive effect on consumers

these are the kevin mccarthy's these are the lindsey graham's. these are the rudy's these are the marco rubio's. and ted cruz's and people who over a four or five year period basically wave the white flag and allowed him to run fairly roughshod over a lot of our institutions. so the working title, this book, as i was working on it, was they all knew better because they did i talked to all of them pretty much one of the defining strains of all of these conversations was there was always a major, major between what they were saying privately, contemptuously, often about the president and what they were saying publicly, which was adulation, which was, you know, complete capitulation, submission, whatever you want to call it. one of the challenges this book, by the way, was finding fun synonyms for like words like this. my favorite, by the way, was the brigade know, the dutiful brigade of republican turd polishers. that was from sykes of the bulwark. i shot him out in the book for being the author of that, but no mean this was the central dynamic of

what will kevin mccarthy do? i often think about the time in march 2021 when cnn's own manu raju challenged mccarthy to explain his votes, to disenfranchise the voters of pennsylvania and arizona on january 6th, after the bloody riot based on the lies that incited that crowd. here's mccarthy's defense, in part. >> if arizona and pennsylvania were removed in the electoral college with president biden's numbers low or below 270? >> no, but donald trump said the house could vote -- >> wait a minute. i'm not donald trump. you're asking me a question. i'm answering your question -- let me answer your question since you asked me. so, you gave a premise that's not true. >> donald trump tried to overturn the results in congress, and you support that. >> well, now you're saying something that's not true. let me answer your question and show you how your premise is not true. >> if you listened closely, mccarthy is claiming that he did not actually vote to overturn the election because he only supported throwing out the vote

raskin: in the midst of this violent chaos, kevin mccarthy implored donald trump to tell his supporters in the mop to leave the capitol, and when that did not work mccarthy called trump's adult children to try to get them to intercede with trump to call off the insurrectionary violence. in our prior hearings we showed you a description of what mccarthy told republican congressman about his conversation with trump during the violence. another witness, mick mulvaney, president trump's chief of staff, has also come forward and cooperated her shocking account. >> i asked kevin mccarthy, who's a republican leader about this, he finally got through to donald trump and he said, you have got to get on tv, you have got to get on twitter, you've got to call these people off. do you know what the president said to him, he's at kevin, these are my people. and kevin responded and said, no, they literally just came through my office windows and my staff are running for cover and running for their lives. you need to call them off. in the president's response to kevin was chilling. he said, well, kevin

but speaking about the rioters, donald trump tells mccarthy, well, kevin, i guess these people are moretrying to effing kill me. just days later, he's at mar-a-lago posing for that photo with trump. >> and that's a signal moment, i think, in the 18-month window that i capture in my book, andrea. it's a moment in which -- especially according to liz cheney -- the republican party could have divested its from trump. they could have said enough already, but instead there was kevin mccarthy going to mar-a-lago, to kiss his ring. to, you know, partner with him in the 2022 elections and essentially in doing so to make trump remainder the dominant figure in the gop. >> so you mentioned liz cheney. of course she's the most noteworthy and adam kinzinger in the house, jeff flake leaving the senate to go to the university of florida. >> ben sasse rather who's done that. >> i'm sorry, jeff flake has gone to be an ambassador. >> right. >> so who's left? >> i mean, those who are left have been kind of meek and have said very little, and what they tend to say from my reporting from democrats and membe

>> which version of kevin mccarthy, he said donald trump bears responsibility and he told me that heerstands, he donald trump has some responsibility. this recording was made later. and after about that first initial bout of honesty, kevin mccarthy changed his testimony and went into spin mode in favor of donald trump. i think we see another example of kevin mccarthy offering up a version of the truth that has been contradicted by witness after witness and by common sense and reality. of course donald trump was watching tv. he knew what was happening. this is mccarthy looking for political favor. >> how rare is it, sarah, for someone like mccarthy to be actually called out for his defense of trump? >> well, you know, look, it obviously is not happening from other republicans publicly. all of these republicans have lined up behind donald trump even kevin mccarthy after that initial criticism so it is telling in the meeting that the families were not willing to buy what kevin mccarthy was selling and maybe the moment he can said trump wasn't watching tv but we knee from testimony who d

but kevin mccarthy really wants to be speaker of the house. and he will do anything to be speaker of the house. you know. he's not concerned about his legacy. he's only concerned with retaining power and obtaining that position. so what he did was, in the immediate aftermath of january 6th, he sought for what it was. you voice that. vocalized on the house floor. and when he realized it was gonna be politically disadvantageous to stay that course, he reversed course. he went down to mar-a-lago. kissed trumps as. and no, we're seeing a very different approach to what january 6th was to him and the rest of the republican party. >> republicans on the whole are more likely to believe generally six was a legitimate protest today than they wear. >> that's a combination of, you've got fox news pumping propaganda out, downplaying the, you know, the reality of that day. and then you also have elected representatives in congress and other political positions going back to their constituents and telling them things like andrew clyde saying it was a taurus

you've heard many republicans and kevin mccarthy seeming to speak for a team of them. you know, they don't want money necessarily going to ukraine. they want it spent at home in america. what do you say to that? >> well, i say, just what president biden said. that they don't get our foreign policy and the requirement for u.s. global leadership, because if we don't provide it, we are at risk. i've talked to a senior republican official in the house who says that's just election noise, pre-election noise, and everyone will calm down after the election. i surely hope so. and i don't think the senate is in the same place. if we withdrew aid to ukraine now, it would be catastrophic for the ukrainians. but also, it would violate yet again our pledges to nato and the eu and our allies that we have reconnected to in europe. i worry about this as well, because of what's just happened in the uk. the uk has been such a staunch ally of nato. they still belong to nato. brexit relates to the eu in providing aid to ukraine. and if their economy, if their economy is in some sort of fr

kevin mccarthy was here. i told him that restoring salt deduction was my top priority and making sure they get project was fully funded. that is what i said. and david on that day. moderator: congressman allman to give to respond. mr. malinowski: i never said i would vote against reconciliation. that would be stupid. i said i would never vote against reconciliation bill that would raise our tax rates. i am not going to vote against alluring prescription drug prices for seniors when presented. for republicans to attack me on this, it is like a bank robber attacking the police for not having arrested him yet. kevin mccarthy is the most anti-salt deduction member of the house. you are not going to get him to change on this. that is ridiculous. he will not help you. what is worse, is if there is a republican majority, normally the 10% cap on salt will expire in 2025. if democrats are there, at least i can promise we will not let it expire. if you are in charge, you will, but to extend that 10% cap for five to 10

will criticize trump or make -- may criticize him on other behaviors and then turnaround like kevin mccarthy, go down tomorrow lago and make nice and so it seems to me there are so many things that are such misbehaviors on trump's part that he's not held accountable for in the public forum except for people like liz cheney, and so how can we accept a person, republicans accept a person who has so much missed behavior, most recently now with these classified documents, and nobody comes out and says your behavior is wrong, get off the public forum, work in a different way if you wish but this cannot represent the party? and yet they continue to pander to him constantly? >> host: was that aaron? michelle. we will mark you down is undecided on the trump question. i don't mean to say that. your first point about the confusion in public leadership remind me of will rogers's comment about the democratic party, organized political party, democrat, republican, i don't think there's any mystery to what is going on and that is trump has a lot of republicans intimidated because he has a hold on an energ

but, weirdly, that's not the tone we've heard from kevin mccarthy since, over the past 18 months. has downplayed that armed insurrection, and attack democrats and the committee investigating the investigation. >> they are avoiding accountability. speaker pelosi's select committee on january 6th is unlike any other committee in american history. in fact, it is the most political and lease legitimate committee in american history. there is nothing i can provide the january 6th committee for legislation of their moving forward. there is nothing in that realm. it is pure politics. >> one thing i know is that since nancy has appointed this political committee, gas has gone up $1. 86. >> and that is what he has said in public. a few weeks after january 6th, kevin mccarthy went crawling down to mar-a-lago to suck up to donald trump and pose for this smiling photo. we now know, thanks to robert draper's reporting, that behind closed doors, he also braided the gop congresswoman for revealing some details of that conversation he had with trump on the sixth. according to draper, mccarthy yel

so kevin mccarthy is an ill fated -- we've got less than a minute left, stewart. t tara said. ever since tara said that mccarthy never becoming speaker, i have held on to that, and i have been saying what she just said. donald trump cannot wait to humiliate kevin mccarthy if the republicans retake the house and he runs for the senate. do you agree with me and tara? >> yes. i mean, look. graciousness and donald trump are to foreign countries that never meet. he will do whatever is the most petty and cruel thing that he can do to inflict pain on someone he sees at a critical moment -- and that is kevin mccarthy. >> right. and we've got the recordings thanks to one of the many books. i think it was alex burns's book, where they reveal the recordings of mccarthy in the days after january 6th. anyway, we're going to have you back to talk about this at a later sunday. we've got to go, we will be back after the break. we will be back after the break, because coming up, it's sunday, it's time for the sound of. we've got a jam-packed news week to talk about, and a few of yo

what did you make of the response that you got from kevin mccarthy in that meeting?rising to me. i saw how he had deviated from his original statements immediately after january 6th, to seize upon the politics of the moment. it's ironic in that he was -- he wanted to ensure that january 6th was not politicized, but in a way he's politicized january 6th the most. it just wasn't surprising. but i'm glad i recorded it. that's why i recorded it, was because i didn't expect kevin mccarthy to, number one, tell the truth; number two, recount the conversation accurately, and number three i wanted to show people how indifferent lawmakers are, not just republican lawmakers, but all lawmakers to the actual american people that they are representing. >> in that conversation, one of the things that you tell mccarthy is that some of the people that you and your mother know who don't think that what you experienced happened have said that footage from your body-worn camera, which is horrific for anyone who hasn't seen it. it is horrific. they think it's faked. what do they think? d

it will elect kevin mccarthy speaker. he is assuming that he will play this state that he will be elected speaker. that is his main goal. >> in tonight's ohio senate debate, he tried to go after his component for cozying up to team leaders. we want to know what we heard this morning. >> if chuck schumer -- >> would be a pain in the rear and to him to. ohio needs an as kicker have not kisser. >> your thoughts on that line or? >> he delivered it well and with the course of the someone i met years ago when he launched his book who had some level of authenticity. now it's completely abandoned. it's in pursuit of power. like many other republicans, they know there is no integrity or character in the course of this. i think tim ryan has laid this erase. no one thought it would be that way. ohio is aiming republican state these days. he made it into a race. i hope the democrats want to win this, they help find tim ryan. if they want to win this race, tim ryan is running as good race, he is complete charlatan. >> so much swirling

kevin mccarthy is the most anti-sump deduction member of the house of representatives. you are not going to get him to change on this. jim jordan is not going to help you on this. what is worse, if there is a republican majority in congress, normally the 10% cap will expire in 2025. if democrats are there at the very least, i can promise we will let it expire. if you guys are in charge, you will vote to extend the 10% cap for another five to 10 years, or indefinitely. mark my words. >> at this point i want to move -- sen. kean: tom malinowski broke his promise for six years. he told voters of this district he would restore the salt adduction. he broke his word in that regard. he was the first person in the entire new jersey delegation this past cycle to simply say he was going to vote for the inflation reduction act efforts without the salt adduction. and he heard everybody else in new jersey. republicans and democrats alike, negotiating position. other staffers and house members for negotiating. this is not a republican or democratic issue. aoc opposes the salt deducti

. >> i asked kevin mccarthy who is the republican leader about this and he said he called donald, he timely got through to donald trump and said you've got to get on, got to get on twitter, got to caught these people off. you know what the president said this, he said kevin these aren't my people, these are antifa. he said no these are your people. my staff are running for cover, running for their lives and you need to call them off. and the president's response to kevin to me was concerning, well kevin they're more about the election staff than you are. you've seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president basically had a swearing conversation. that's when the swearing began, the president was saying no, i'm okay with this. >> i had conversation at some point in the day, or week after the riot with kevin mcthy. >> it was very similar to what she had, the conversation she had retold about how he called and asked the president to get them to stop and the president told him something along the lines of kevin maybe these people are more angry than you are, maybe you're upse

and it doesn't really matter what kevin mccarthy is saying right now about impeachment. this perpetual outrage machine, personified by marjorie taylor greene, and they will absolutely demand this and in fact, they will demand many things, like endless investigations into hunter biden. they'll make a litmus test out of a refusal to cooperate in any way with the biden administration, bipartisan compromises will be e, you know, furiously opposed. those will also be the kind of litmus tests that you will see, so kevin mccarthy may be sitting in his office thinking, okay, how do we avoid overreaching like newt gingrich did after the 1994 election? but i don't think they will be able to stop it because this is a party built on this smoldering cauldron of outrage. if they disappoint that base, they will have healthy. and in mar-a-lago, donald trump is seeing -- if i can make it like everyone has been impeached, then i will do it. -- let's water it down and there will absolutely be irresistible pressure for the investigations, maybe for a debt ceiling crisis, and of course, for

i don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that kevin mccarthy's leader, speaker of the house. but you have a quote in the book and talking about this idea that, you know, this elaborate show of establishing policy focused task forces as an on ramp to be elected to the governing party in congress after the elections. but the idea of the parties energy is focused on bloodlust and who will be the next speaker, kevin mccarthy. talk about it. >> yes, for one thing, you are referencing, laura, these policy groups that were set up by mccarthy. but a lot of people did not even attend them. some of them never even actually convened. so, it was for show. it was for a way of suggesting that we are seriously focused on policy. but to mark's point, for example, the maga wing of the republican party is really the center of gravity right now. and they are not fixated on controlling deficit spending, for example. they are not fixated on the national debt. instead, their focused on things like sealing off the board, a critical race theory, and the various and sundry other social wedge issues.

kevin mccarthy meet kevin mccarthy.d be done, everybody knows the rest of the story. it's just important to button it up. the infamous photo, mccarthy going down to mar-a-lago to make sure he could publicly stand with, in a very literal sense, the man who he said, quote, no one should defend. as i mentioned, trump knew what was going on. he knew the january 6th rally crowd was armed when he urged them to go to the capitol. and the capitol hill police officer pummeled in the riot has slammed mccarthy face to face in this meeting. >> the last word tonight on this topic goes to the officer, the words that he chose to share directly with leader mccarthy. we're going to fit in a break. we have something very special involving our colleague rachel maddow right after this. escriben intense burning sensation or an unbearable itch. this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. it could make your workday feel impossible. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older,

this is kevin mccarthy, not just expressing chagrin and concern about the capitol, but expressing deeptial concern for his own personal safety, and so, of course, that's relevant when we look at mccarthy's behavior in the weeks to follow when he then went to mar-a-lago, and basically kissed trump's ring. believing once again that without the maga base they can't retake the majority and he can't be speaker. >> it is really amazing the change, the quick evolution we see and you detail it so well in here, really adding to what we know. robert, thank you so much for being with us. the book is called weapons of mass delusion and, again, it is out now. thank you. >>> yet another prediction this morning on where the u.s. economy is headed. more on the warning of a 1990 style recession ahead. >>> and why a third of u.s. families are still struggling to find infant formula. i had a bad relationship th my student loan. the interest was costing me... well, us... a fortune. so, i refinanced with sofi. break up with bad student loan debt. you could save thousands and pay no fees. sofi get your mone

kevin mccarthy this week suggested a blank check would end to ukraine if republicans took control ofwe are seeing a far-right government come to power in italy very soon, where there's putin sympathizers in that party, more chaos in the uk, although at least to this point they seem committed to ukraine. give us your assessment here as not just ukraine but the rest of europe is about to embark on a cold, dark winter. do you think we come through it on the other side with the resolve of the alliance intact as it is now? >> john, the worries are all there, no question about it. i just came from a wreak breakfast with a french foreign minister. it was off the record so i shouldn't go into details of what she had to say, but my sense generally is that the europeans have steadied up in terms of understanding the importance of supporting ukraine. they see strong u.s. commitment still, despite kevin mccarthy's comments, to supply weapons and the other things that ukraine needs, and they're on board. they're providing their share, less than the united states, but still significant commitments

>> i think marjorie taylor greene understands what kevin mccarthy will have to do as much as kevin mccarthy he has, if he wants to be the speaker, he has to reflect the base of the party and the base of the party wants vengeance. so that is what they're going to do. they're going to launch as many investigations as they can. they're going to make them as public as they can. they're going to try to make the last two years of the biden administration as embarrassing for him as they can and use that as a way to try to win their way back into the white house. >> the only way to stop marjorie taylor greene is to lay a pull-up bar in her path and hope she exercises herself stupid. >> you know, i look forward to joe biden hologramming himself into multiple concurrent impeachment hearings. >> that's gonna be fun for sure. wait. hold on. sorry, gang. sorry, charles. i just remembered that there's something i've got to take care of here. >> oh, what is it? what's going on? >> it's just i got my laptop stolen out of my car last night and i've got to call the police before i forget. >> oh, no. >> hold

he'll try to weigh it out and hope that his cowardly lackey kevin mccarthy become speaker of the house and balsam out again by killing the panels investigation. but here is the underlying truth. the american people deserve to hear directly from donald trump about his responsibility for january the six. look, there's no other to say this by a democracy requires its leaders to actually be held accountable to the people and explain their actions. donald trump is not above the law, nor should he be left off the hook because his followers may not like the outcome. let's discuss all this and more with laurence tribe professor emirate us at harvard law school. professor tribe, it's good to have you back on the show. we have been checking in with you throughout the hearings. whenever there is an inflection point of sorts. i wanted to get your reaction to thursday's hearing. it certainly concluded with a bang. do you believe that the committee accomplished what it needed to do? >> i think the committee did a spectacular job of informing both itself and the american people up a grave ongoing dan

luria: when you said you vote for kevin mccarthy for speaker, i assume that is a lie. you've touted this plan that says republicans want to end the entitlement of social security and medicare you're saying it's a benefit and you wouldn't touch it for those patients you help. do you lie to them as your patients just like you are voting to the ash lying to the voters in this room? ms. kiggans: we cannot touch the benefits for people who are receiving social security or near to receiving those benefits . these are the patients i have advocated for on the state level . i look forward to advocating for them in the halls of congress as well. in the state of virginia, we have to have a balanced budget, we don't spend more than we take in. we had to compromise, but it's a great thing about our commonwealth. i wish we would put a split second into think about doing that on the federal level. host: thank you. that same poll showed among likely voters inflation was the number two issue. 77% saying it was important. what policy or policies where you work on to address concerns lik

are you worried about what kevin mccarthy said about ukraine aid?, i supported ukraine aid early on when it happened. i did travel to the border. but bloomberg last week, and this is an issue we have to reconcile, bloomberg said last week that we are going to have a recession. it is a hundred percent guaranteed. we saw jamie dimon warn on a recession in the next six to nine months. if we keep writing these blank checks to other countries, if we increase the deficit spending or government spending any more than we already have we're going to exacerbate the situation. but make no mistake. ukraine is very important. not only to the united states economy but to countries all around the world. so there is going to have to be some sort of balance. you look at the rare earth minerals in ukraine to the food security issues that may be on the horizon with wheat and barley in particular. the lumber and timber that they produce, nuclear assets that russia is after. it is something we have to find balance on next year. >> don't you think a comment like the one