if you need the 2 inch putt, mark meadows, it's the same rationale. now we think cipollone and philbin will testify truthly and not take the fifth. if meadows is required to pierce the executive privilege he may take the fifth and the department of justice will have a question of to give him immunity or prosecute him. he is the absolute epicenter of trump's guilty intent. but cipollone and philbin get very, very close. >> you're all waiving the red flag in front of me so i'm going to charge through it. mark meadows is in the news again today. similar threat. he's expected to appeal this but he has been delivered a blow, a legal blow. he has been now forced to testify in the criminal investigation in georgia. he is the ringleader, along with donald trump, of the effort to fraudulently find 11780 votes. here is meadows on the now infamous call with then secretary or current secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> mr. secretary, obviously, there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted, and that's at o

mark meadows a lawyer said that he will appeal that decision. trump accepted service of the subpoena that was issued by the january 6th select committee last week the subpoena sets a deadline for donald trump to handle over documents by november 4th, and to appear for an interview with the committee on november 14th. leading off our discussion of these points tonight is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division. and the eastern district of new york, he's a professor of practice at nyu law school. msnbc legal analyst. popular is also with us, professor of law at georgetown university, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. andrew weissmann, let's go first to the question of getting the former white house counsel and deputy white house counsel to answer more questions under oath that they have already answered. and this is now going to require a ruling by a judge because it apparently touches on attorney client privilege, issues of some kind. what is your reaction to what we know so far? >>

i want to go back to the for the beginning and talk about mark meadows. of state and meadows, his chief of staff, was on the phone. here it is. >> mr. secretary, obviously there is, there are allegations where we believe that not not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted, and that's at odds with the representation from the secretary of state's office. i was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious? >> if you were on fani willis's team in georgia, what would you believe the value of mark meadows' testimony would be? >> well, joy, i've long since said he is the missing piece to connecting donald trump to pretty much everything. not only what's going on in fulton county but everything around january 6th and what happened and took place there. mainly because mark meadows is the one who can talk about what is going on in the office of the president, the mind of the president because

break. >> immediately after the call, cassidy hutchison had a conversation with chief of staff mark meadowsmember looking at mark, mark, you can't possibly think we are gonna pull this off. like, that call was crazy. he looked at me and starts -- now, cast, he knows it is over. he knows he lost but we are gonna keep trying, there are some good options out there. we are gonna keep trying. >> joining us now is glenn kyi fleming. she's the former district attorney for that county in georgia. neighboring county fulton county where the grand jury investigation is taking place. what do you make of that testimony today. and how is donald trump's state of mind described their meaning that he knows that it is over. she is saying that he knew he had legitimately lost the election while he was making that phone call to the secretary of state of georgia. >> so alice you may know, intent is one of the things that every prosecutor asked to prove on any type of criminal charge. and in this instance, where the da may be looking at crimes of false statements or conspiracy to commit election fraud, knowing t

mark meadows all the way to cristina bob.n i said before the house oversight committee, i said i know the game that you are playing. i know what you are trying to do. you know why, i wrote the playbook, and it's not going to work out for you the same way it's not working out for me so i'd like to ask mark meadows, whether or not he should have listened? i would ask christina bob or alina hub or any one of these eastman, rudy giuliani, all of them, i just wish that they would have listened -- i wish people would read it because then they would understand exactly what happened to me with the biggest fear that i have is that it will happen to you. you're a critic of donald trump. he does not take lightly to. so his enemies list is quite large. >> let me ask you about the book really quickly, why have you. it's titled revenge and in it, you talk about how the department of justice is basically weaponized against trump critics. how much damage do you think has been done to the department of justice because of donald trump, and is

your book deals with mark meadows. the portion says, we never received a cdr from mark meadows, but the telephone text he turned over t committee became the rosetta stone for the nuary 6. they provided information, mead identified many aspects t subpoena by -- privilege. he must have sed or uploaded his own data to the cloud or another stagdevice and he and his legal team turned over this extorting number of messages. in doing so, meadows gave us the keys to the kingdom. we called them the crown jewel. if you could explain what cdr is, can you elaborate. guest: [laughter] i tried to ask wayne earlier in the book, those are called detail reppert's -- records. we never got those. we know there were other text messages we did not receive content of because they were under executive privilege. without cdrs, it is hard to tell if we have received all the text as it is. part of what we received is pretty amazing. i do not know what they were giving us or if they had individuals on their legal team who didn't know what they w

of betraying america on january 6th and a chance to confront lee over text messages he sent to mark meadow, then president trump's chief of staff in the leadup to the attack on the capitol. lee denied doing anything wrong. >> cnn's omar jimenez up all night watching these debates play out. omar what did you see? >> reporter: these, spiriteded to say the least. con tentious second time in a rw in ohio between tim ryan and j.d. vance, felt personal at times. meanwhile in utah, in that race, got indent adam mcmullen against incumbent senator mike lee and it's the only race where democrats didn't field a candidate. so independent is fighting an uphill battle. two crucial senate debates party politics took center stage. in ohio democrat tim ryan and republican j.d. vance debated for a second time in a closer than expected senate race. issue, donald trump's endorsement of vance. >> "new york times," front page, he's kissing my ass he wants my support so bad. >> joking a be a "new york times" story. that's all he was doing. i didn't take offense to it. >> if you can't even stand up for yourself,

kathy hutchison and mark meadows were present for the conversation and escarpment in this way. >> this the day that the supreme court rejected the case. mr. meadows and i was in the white house. i remember walking back from the reception that evening. the president was walking out of the oval office. we crossed paths. the president was fired up about the supreme court's decision. and so, i was saying, mr. meadows, the president was just raging about the decision and how it was wrong. why didn't they make more calls? it was difficult. anger outbursts. he had said something to the effect of, "i do not want people to know we lost, this is embarrassing. you figure it out. i do not want people to know that we lost." >> our country is a country of laws, where every person, including the president, must follow the law and respect the judgment of our court. president trump's closest advisors held that view both then and now. >> do you believe the president should abide by the rule in the courts? >> have. we should all comply with the law at all times to the best of our ability. every one of us

immediately after the call, cassidy hutchinson had a conversation with chief of staff, mark meadows. k, you can't possibly think we are going to pull this off. that call was crazy and -- shaking his head he's like no,, -- he knows it's over. he knows he lost. but we are going to keep trying, there are some good options out there still. we are going to keep trying. >> this call and other related activity is now the focus of an ongoing criminal investigation in fulton county, georgia. georgia is not the only state where president trump tried to pressure state officials to change the results. he also attempted to pressure state officials in arizona, pennsylvania, and michigan, to change the results in those states as well. while president trump was pressuring state officials, he was also trying to use the department of justice to change the election results. his top officials told him that there was no evidence to support his claims of fraud, but he did not care. as he told them, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congress. when these officials

the ruling dropping on mark meadows and whether he has to talk to a georgia grand jury. >>> plus new reporting on other members of former president trump's administration, with the d.o.j. asking a federal judge to force one-time white house attorneys to talk to the january 6th grand jury. we're also following some new escalations on the battlefield in ukraine as vladimir putin again repeating those unsupported claims, kyiv is getting ready to detonate a so-called dirty bomb. any news from that, we will have our team standing by and you will hear it here first. i'm hallie jackson coming from orlando where i'm on assignment did w-dasha burns on assignment herself in harrisburg, pennsylvania and shaq brewster, and garrett haake grand junction, colorado, and mark murray is joining us as well. dasha, you have -- what is happening in pennsylvania today? the last 90 minutes, not even, we've seen oz on the campaign trail, not speaking abortion but speaking crime and a debate issue he raised overnight. and abortion is an issue that oz has to play defense on with a new ad highlighting the comm

one of the people she's still trying to get testimony from is mark meadows.at doesn't work on the time frame that she's working on, it's possible cassidy hutchinson could fill in the gaps, things they wanted to get from mark meadows. >> sara murray with the reporting. thank you, sara. >>> cnn has newly obtained recordings of the top republican in the house, kevin mccarthy discussing what trump knew and when he knew it as the attack on the capitol played out. the gop's comments were secretly recorded last june during a meeting and contradict the hearings. cnn's whitney wild joins us with more. whitney, what is the story behind these recordings and what are we hearing mccarthy saying on them? >> just to give the context, we knew that former d.c. police officer michael fan noern and the mother of brian sic nic, he was the capitol police officer who died after january 6. all three of those people had gone to capitol hill to speak with lawmakers in july 2021. but we were never allowed inside the meetings, until the former police officer michael fanone brought us t

she texted the chief of staff mark meadows in the run-up to that day, in part, help this great president stand firm mark, the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. and now her husband ultimately oversees the entire georgia investigation in his role overseeing that court and we're supposed to take his ruling here seriously or with a grain of salt? >> with a very large grain of salt, i think. so, there is a standard here for a judge or justice to recuse themselves if their impartiality could be unreasonably questioned or if they have a spouse whose interest could be substantially affected by the outcome of the case. that's the standard. >> literally that's the standard? >> it's a federal statute, it's the standard. it's even more severe because she was directly involved with some of the actors that are under investigation in georgia, mark meadows, john eastman. john eastman pleads the fifth in front of the district attorney in august. she says to mark meadows listen to clayta. and what does mark meadows do put forward that to the justice departm

i think cassidy hutchinson could be important if they never get mark meadows in front of the grand jurye could begin to fill in some of the blanks and they may need to rely on people like that if she just hit the point where we're not willing to fight this out in courtney longer. we want to write a report and move ahead with indictments. >> very interesting indeed. we're getting more insight into how the republican leadership tried to whitewash trump's culpability on january 6. michael fanone, who defends the capital that day as a police officer, recorded his meeting with kevin mccarthy last summer. listen to this change. >> he knew what was going. he knew what was going on. they were fighting for hours and hours. you know, just -- >> i don't know that he did know that. >> how revealing of that? >> which version of kevin mccarthy, he said donald trump bears responsibility and he told me that he understands, he donald trump has some responsibility. this recording was made later. and after about that first initial bout of honesty, kevin mccarthy changed his testimony and went into spin mo

she is a star witness partly because she has so much visibility into mark meadows and his activities.lso highly credible, she's being corroborated in everything she said. turning her attention to all of meadows' activity with respect to georgia. we do know from the transcript that the january 6th had from one of her interviews, she said she's in the room with meadows and giuliani when they are told by the white house council that the elector plan is legally unsound. what do meadows and giuliani do? the false slate of electors. that's just one of the -- i'll add that as a third point of contact for meadows in georgia, and surely should be able to provide some insight into that. >> as we remember from the hearings for january 6th, she was known to be in almost every meeting that meadows was in so she has that insight. you said on the show last week that trump was one of the two most likely people to be indicted in the investigation. how does this news about hutchinson impact your assessment of this? >> the way i think of it is dominoes. cassidy hutchinson can really jeopardize mark mead

he passed that information along to tony, the word for mark meadows and the chief of staff's office. the documents we obtained made clear that the cloud -- crowd outside the magnetometers were armed and the agents knew it. take a look at what they were seeing and hearing on the ground. one report from the rally site at 7:58 a.m. said some members of the crowd are wearing ballistic helmets, body armor, carrying radio equipment and military grade backpacks. another from 9:30 a.m., says there were possibly oc spray, meaning pepper spray, and/or past -- plastic riot shields. at 11:23 a.m., agents also reported possible armed individuals. one with a glock, one with a rifle. over the next hour, agents reported possible gun reported. confirmed pistol on hip located in a tree. and i street northwest. individual had an assault weapon on his person. minutes before president trump began his speech, members of the federal protective service and agency tasked with protected federal buildings were alerted about an arrest of a protester with a gun on his waistband. and during this speech, the weapo

the dozens of text she sent to mark meadows in the weeks after the election, repeatedly pressing him to overturn the results -- in one of the text, she even pushed a qanon conspiracy saying that, -- we're being sent to barges off of guantÁnamo bay to face military trials for sedition. yeah. it's easy to dismiss such conspiracies as just plain crazy. but this time last sunday, former republican congressman and 16 committee staff member -- was explaining to 60 minutes the value of the mark meadows text messages, including those with ginni thomas. have a listen. >> the text messages show you an administration that was completely eaten up with a digital virus called qanon and conspiracy theories. and apocalyptic messianic, buffoon early. you can look at the text messages as a roadmap. but it is also a look into the psyche of the republican party today. >> apocalyptic, messianic buffoon worry. he said it, not me. we are in great danger of having such people have control over all three branches of the u.s. government before you know it, by any means necessary. in addition to her sex -- tex

certainly as the former chief of staff, mark meadows fits that bill.th. andrea? >> of course, he could always appeal to the supreme court, as so far lindsey graham did in the same issue. >> reporter: yeah. >> got a stay, at least a temporary stay. we'll have to wait and see how this actually finally turns out. thanks, blayne alexander. good to have you back. >>> as we approach the midterms, there are still people who believe fraud was committed somehow in the 2020 election, the election deniers. listen to jon stewart interviewing republican arizona attorney general about this. >> donald trump lost arizona, period. i've said that from the very beginning. there have been isolated incidences thus far that we have identified and we are prosecuting. >> yes. >> we still have active investigations going on, but people can draw their own conclusion -- >> there is -- no, people cannot draw their own conclusions. that's the point of the law. >> yeah, it is. >> the law is that you have facts. >> right. >> and you have fiction. >> right. >> the fact is the electio

so, what happens here for mark meadows?, mark meadows is an important witness because he was part of that phone call. if you remember, he was on the call where trump was pressuring brad raffensperger in georgia to find exact number of votes that he needed to be able to win the state, which he, of course, did not. he also went down to georgia to look at one of the audits that was happening there. this is why the d.a. down in fulton county wants his testimony. he says, his legal team says they are studying the judge's order in south carolina that he has to comply. but keep in mind the fact that meadows and the trump allies were presenting these fraud claims has already gotten a judge, a federal judge to say that they provided these statements in federal court as well as state court in georgia, knowing that they were false. so, this is one reason why even if he appeals, it looks like he's got a tough road ahead because the grand jury is now expecting his testimony. and this judge, at least in south carolina, says that he has t

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slates, but i don't see that happening." >> senator lee says he was simply trying to understand mark meadows' position. why don't you believe senator lee's explanation? >> well, he's lied about his activities. he said he was only aware of the effort to find alternative slates of electors as of just a few days before january 6th. but we know by his own text messages that as early as december 8th, he was urging the white house to find fake electors to overturn the election. so senator lee played a central role in trying to overturn the will of the people through the identification of fake electors. now, it didn't begin there, though. senator lee advised trump's frivolous so-called legal challenges to the election, wch almost all failed in court, but succeeded, as i think they were intended to, in convincing tens of millions of americans that the election had been stolen. senator lee still can't say the 20 election was free and fair and legitimate. he still casts doubts on its legitimacy, even as recently as our debate just days ago. >> did joe biden fairly win the 2020 presidential election? s

cassidy hutchinson, an aid to the chief of staff, mark meadows was present for that conversation and described it in this way. >> this is a day this up in court rejected that case. as we were walking back, they were walking out of the oval office and we crossed paths. the president was fired up about this up in court decision. i was saying i would step back two or three catty corners here. the president was raging about the decision. why don't they make more calls? it is just the typical and re-up bursts at the decision. he sets up into the effect of i don't want people to know we lost. figure it out. please figure it out. i don't want people to know that we lost. >> our country is a country of laws every person including the president must follow the law and respect the judgment of our court. president trump's closest advisers held that view both then and now. >> d believe the president should abide by the ruling of the court? >> we should all buy with the law to the best of our ability. once the court had ruled and electoral college had met, the election was over in your view? >> y

i mean the point about it is that they speaker whatever is in chief of staff mark meadows. i i think the fact is that the hardcore on the right is committed deeply in a way that maybe other people underestimate. and that is why they buy those books now. some of them are sold in bulk. so for example ted cruz, i think it was who used don't $200,000 of his own campaign money. i don't want to be 100% sure. let's say a politician spent $200,000 of his own money buying books. that'll do. so i mean too much 200,000 of his campaign money to buy books. so what i'm saying, is that on that side of the of the political divide there is a kind of depth. and i guess i saw it with trump if you appeal to somebody's visceral excitement if you're inspirational if you make if it if they make you angry. um, they're very likely to you know, be more buying a book. well, mr. oznos, we've talked about some of your successes. is there a flop in there you'd like to mention? oh my god, a flap me matt. oh, i well the second since you want to ask the second trump book. so inevitably we're going to do a

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immediately after the call, cassidy hutchinson had a conversation with chief of staff, mark meadows. >> i looked at mark and said mark, you cannot possibly think we are going to pull this off. that call was crazy. he looked at me and started shaking his head. he said he knows it is over, he knows he lost. we are going to keep trying, their options, we are going to keep trying. rep. luria: this call and other related activity is now the focus of an ongoing criminal investigation in fulton county, georgia. georgia is not the only state where president trump tried to pressure state officials to change the results. he also attempted to pressure state officials in arizona, pennsylvania and michigan to change the results in those states, as well. while he was pressuring state officials, he was also trying to use the department of justice to change election results. his top officials told him there was no evidence to support his claim of fraud. but he did not care. as he told them, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest of me and the republican congress. when officials would no

they have been trying to get testimony from mark meadows in georgia.ot been able to do that. obviously, she worked very closely with them. she may have observations, just what she saw in the west wing around the 2020 election that could be useful for prosecutors. she may know more about the run-up and the aftermath of that phone call between former president trump and georgia secretary of state, where trump asked him to find him votes to win the state. and she may have more information about the surprise visit mark meadows made to a georgia ballot audit site in 2020. she also may have information that we don't know about that didn't come out in the public hearing, because she worked so closely with the former white house chief of staff. we know that the district attorney in georgia, she has been looking into efforts by donald trump to overturn the 2020 election. sources have told us she wants to wrap this up after the midterms and could issue indictments as early as december. so hutchinson could fill in gaps if they cannot work out an agreement to get

judges ruled that trump's white house chief of staff mark meadows must testify about trump and his alliesn the 2020 presidential election results. how big of a deal is this? >> a big deal. he's a very important witness and present during meetings that trump and allies had as they were trying to overturn particularly the georgia election results. this is obviously the center of what this investigation is in fulton county. also, you know, mark meadows was on the phone when the former president was pressuring brad raffensperger to find exactly the number of votes he had that he could win georgia. he went down to georgia. there is plenty of questions they want to ask him. m meadows indicated he's appealing this ruling from the south carolina judge that says he should appear so the fight is not over yet. obviously, there is also a little bit of a time crunch for the investigators there in georgia. they're hoping to get all witness testimony by the end of the year. so, you know, there is an effort here perhaps by meadows and some of the trump allies to run out the clock. we'll see whether that

the great question because mark meadows was a mystery to us when we started book because we could not figure out where he was coming from because we'd heard a couple of versions. one, he was on these phone calls with, mark milley and and others who wanted to land the plane. that's what they were call land. the plane calls after the election were worried about something getting out of hand. and they wanted to make sure that things were kept relatively stable and. he would tell people that he was trying to get trump there. don't worry, it's going to be okay. and then at the same, he was texting with jenny thomas and. these congressmen, these freedom caucus congressmen, and saying, yes, this is a battle for good and evil and the lord is on our side and and we have to, you know, have fake electors. and we have to do all these things. so know, to the extent that we thought for a while that he might be, you know, we clearly tried to say what everybody wanted him to say whoever he was talking. he tried to say what he thought they to say. but in the end if it was a question of was he really w

i want to ask you more about mark meadows. we have heard nothing from him recently. i want to play the testimony that the january 6 committee aired today. it's cassidy hutchinson. she's talking about a conversation she had with her boss who, of course, was the chief of staff, mark meadows, about trump's efforts to overturn the election in georgia. here is what she said. >> mark, you can't possibly think we're going to pull this off. that call is crazy. he looked at me and shaking his head, no, he knows it's over. he knows he lost. we're going to keep trying. >> this is about georgia. the call she's referring to is the 45-minute call with brad raffensperger where trump is saying i need 11,780 votes, one more than he lost by. meadows, according to cassidy hutchinson, is able to say that trump knew he lost, directionally knew he lost, knew this was all bogus and knew everything he was doing was wrong. there's a lot of talk about meadows and how he himself is the subject of a criminal investigation in georgia. you don't think he should be worried right now. why not? >> i

immediately after the call, cassidy hutchinson had a conversation with chief of staff mark meadows. >> i said mark, you can't possibly think we are going to pull this off, that call was crazy, and he shook his head and no, he knows it's over, he knows he's lost but we are going to keep trying. there are some good options out there still, we are going to keep trying. >> this call and other related activity is now the focus of an ongoing criminal investigation in fulton county, georgia. georgia is not the only state where president trump tried to pressure state officials to change the results. he also attempted to pressure state officials in arizona, pennsylvania, and michigan to change the results in those states as well. while president trump was pressuring state officials, he was also trying to use the department of justice to change the election results. his top officials told him that there was no evidence to support his claims of fraud. but he didn't care. as he told them, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congress. when these officials

cassidy hutchinson, an aide to chief of staff mark meadows, was present for that conversation and described it in this way. >> this is the day that the supreme court had rejected that case. mr. meadows and i were in the white house residence at a christmas reception. and as we were walking back from the christmas reception that evening, the president was walking out of the oval office and we crossed paths in the rose garden colonnade. the president was fired up about the supreme court decision. and so i was standing next to mr. meadows, but i had stepped back probably two or three feet catty-cornered, diagonal from him. president raging about the decision and how it's wrong, and why didn't we make more calls, and just this typical anger outburst at this decision. and the president said i think -- so he had said something to the effect of, i don't want people to know we lost, mark. this is embarrassing. figure it out. we need to figure it out. i don't want people to know that we lost. amy: that was former white house aide cassidy hutchinson. coming up, more of thursday's january 6 hearing. s

but mark meadows is every bit of an officer of the government as you are. >> before we get to mark meadowswill answer that question -- i testified because i was lawfully subpoenaed and i believe i have to respect a lawful subpoena. my goal was to tell the truth. it was not to help president trump, and it was not to hurt president trump. it was simply to tell the truth. if the results -- >> the truth hurt him. >> well, some things i said hurt him. some things i said probably didn't hurt him or maybe even helped him, but at the end of the day people can form their own judgment. >> i appreciate that. you said you get to meadows. >> in the case of mr. meadows i don't know the legality and the difference. i was not in what was considered to be apparently executive privilege conversations. so my lawyers in whom i had a great deal of faith said a subpoena comes, you have to go, unless you get a court order telling you can't appear, if the president wants to go to court and prevent you, that's a different story. >> bannon and lindsey graham don't have executive privilege. >> exactly. and i'm not g

pees the night before jen si sixth -- january 6 president trump instructed his chief of staff mark meadowstone and michael flynn regarding what would play out the next day. ms. hutchinson, is it your understanding mr. meadows calle mr. stone on the fifth? >>> i'm under the impression that mr. meadows did complete both a call to mr. stone and general flynn the evening of th fifth pees and you know what they talked about that evening, misses hutchinson? >>> not sure. i feel like we don't know the full story on the proud boys an oathkeepers. i think that the committee is trying to get to the bottom of what was officials might have enough coordinate with unspoken the proud boys. so what did those relationships look like what were the lines o communication and why were they talking? pees if there is stuff we know we put some of it out. there's more depth that we will be putting up probably within the report in maybe within the next hearings. i think what is important is that he was going through the process of selling that the election was stolen, and then convincing folks that, overlooking if

take advantage now at uhc.com/medicare >>> new today, a judge ordered mark meadows, president trump'sating possible meddling in the 020 election saying, quote, i'm going to find that the witness is material and necessary to the investigation. let's get right to former federal prosecutor michael moore on this. michael, an attorney for meadows says they plan to appeal the ruling, but first what does this ruling signal when the judge says, meadows is necessary to the probe? >> well, i'm glad to be with you. i'm really not surprised at all to see this ruling. essentially the necessary language is something out of the judge's order when the subpoena is issued out of state. and so it allows for the court in atlanta to issue the subpoena, the prosecutor in atlanta and then for that to be served on a witness who is not within the jurisdiction of this court so is there has to be something moving for that and you saw early on the d.a. did that. in her order said these witnesses were necessary to the case and may have material information so the judge is just tracking that language. i'm not surp

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we got sort of more stunning testimony from cassidy hutchinson woo was a top aide to mark meadows talking more about how the former president knew he lost but wasn't willing to let it go. that was a big one. we saw documentation that trump planned ahead of the election results to just declare victory no matter what happened and we got a little more detail on what the committee had uncovered from this trove of communications they got from the u.s. secret service, including warnings back in december coming to the u.s. secret service from people saying, look, extremist groups are planning on go to the capitol, they want to kill people while they are there. i want to go back to the cassidy hutchinson testimony. she was such a bombshell witness in the public hearing. listen to what she said in the video testimony they showed yesterday. >> he had said something to the effect of, i don't want people to know we lost, mark. this is embarrassing. figure it out. we need to figure it out. i don't want people to know we lost. he said mark, you can't possibly think we're going to pull this off. that ca

we have the steve bannon and mark meadows examples.e expectation that he is going to appear before this committee. i don't know if the committee will necessarily force the issue in that way. and merrick garland obviously has his hands full with these other investigations going on. i don't really know that this is something that he would relish pursuing in addition to mar-a-lago and the other january 6th investigations. >> carl bernstein, the third most senior house republican, elise stefanik of new york tweeted that the committee is nothing more than partisan sham. what can the committee accomplish if donald trump's grip on house republicans remains this strong? >> well, there is also the senate, and there is also we got to see what happens in the election. but let's look at what was said there. the idea that this is a partisan witch hunt or something, let's look at liz cheney's role. and this is next to the army mccarthy hearings, the watergate hearings, this is one of the three great congressional investigations and hearings of our t

and that's according to the person who kept mark meadows his schedule for him.in the wake of the 2020 election, democratic congressman steve cohen revealed he and another lawmaker saw boebert give a large group a possible reconnaissance tour of the capitol a few days before the attack. something boebert strenuously denied. she said the only people she let around the capitol complex were members of her family. and then there is boebert's behavior on january the 6th itself. less than a week after being sworn in, after vowing on a bible to uphold the constitution, the congresswoman began the day by tweeting, quote, today is 1776. excuse me? feeling very revolutionary that morning, where she, maybe? in the mood for a call to arms along with her morning cup of coffee, perhaps? the afternoon -- as the insurrectionists breached the capitol boebert was publicly sharing nancy pelosi's movements. speaker of the house pelosi second in the presidential line of succession. quote, the speaker has been removed from the chambers. it wasn't just boebert's liberal critics who wer