i spoke earlier with de w correspondent, benjamin alvarez gruber and asked him what was behind billions decision. it is not really a surprise, and there have been several problems between berlin and by michael that also let to germany temporarily suspending it, spooned his emission in molly that was back in august where berlin accused by miko of not giving a german military planes so called over fly to rights, to a plan change of personnel who were there. so now they had this emergency meeting with german chancellor will have shawls with the ministers of defense. therefore, a minister and alida babbitt was also then the development minister deciding that they wanted to start this process of starting to pull out the troops in molly, starting in 2023 and then ending in 2024. but they are, of course, still a concerns of what might happen after the german troops leave. that's also a discussion that we heard at back in august when the last french troops left. that was the decision taken back in march, a to say that the security of the soldiers cannot be guaranteed something similar. that has

the us here in europe, i'm joined now by our brussels correspondent, bob, a visa and d w's. benjamin alvarez gruber, here in berlin, and i believe they will be joining us very soon. or they are barbara and from brussels, from the point of view of the european union. how will they be feeling about the results so far? there will be, of course, a certain amount of breathing out slowly relaxation. because of course, this was really beset by fear, as everyone remembers the trauma of the trump years here, him threatening nato, the, the enmity, he really displayed dirt towards the european countries. and did the, the friendship was dictators. i mean, this whole rigmarole of those years. a really left a residue here in europe. and of course, they thought you crying ukraine, the support for ukraine might be at stake. now, of course the, this is to a certain amount of bipartisan matter. however, if for the, the financial contributions and the military contributions in weapons to ukraine should be substantially reduced, then europe would have to step up to the plate and european governments would be really in