geoff: margaret sullivan is a former media columnist for "the washington post" and she's author of the book "newsroom confidential." thanks so much for your time. margaret: thanks very much. geoff: for almost three decades, the united nations has held annual gatherings to discuss how to combat climate change. the major goal of stopping global temperature rise has remained elusive. and this year, there are other critical items are on the agenda. this is all happening against the backdrop of host country egypt's record of human rights abuses. ali rogin has more. ali: the 27th u.n. climate summit, cop 27 is entering its final week in sharm el-sheikh, egypt. at the top of the agenda, figuring out who pays for the effects of climate change. developing nations want major industrialized countries to foot the bill as they bear the brunt of manmade climate change. this year's conference is also being held in the shadow of the host country's controversial human rights record. egypt has restricted protests during the conference, and human rights groups have criticized president abdel-fattah el-si

joining margaret sullivan is dr. joan donovan, a leading public scholar and disinformation researcher specializing in media media manipulation political movements, critical internet studies, and online extremism. dr. donovan is the research director of the harvard kennedy school. shorenstein center on media, politics and public, and the director. the technology and social, social project. she is coauthor of the book memoirs the untold story of the online battles upending democracy in america. and her research can be found in several academic peer review journals. she's a columnist at mit technology review and a regular contributor to the new york times, the guardian, npr and pbs. tonight, they discussing sullivan's new book, newsroom confidential, charles kaser from the guardian called a beguiling memoir. and journalist katie couric said margaret sullivan's, perspective on our increasingly cook-off in its media ecosystem is invaluable by dealing her personal and professional experiences. and this lies an engaging mem

well a new memoir by former washington post -- margaret sullivan, called news room confidential, lessonsm an ink stained life provides plenty of of -- >> margaret thank you for coming back on the show, congratulations on the. book in a washington post he's adapted from a new memoir, you, wrote and i quote, trump was a deeply abnormal candidates. but the news made a could not communicate that frequently, or -- why was that the case? oren hasn't gotten better or worse in your view? in my view it's gotten worse. >> you know, i do see some progress. but i also am very disheartened at times. the reason for, it i think, that was trump was seen with is this sort of circus that we covered in a sort of, oh gosh, isn't this interesting. isn't this wild way. to get people very interested. he himself called himself a ratings machine. and for once, he was telling the truth. you know, but what we didn't do is really communicate the consequences and the meaning of trump as president, and it took us a long, long time to even do simple things like call ally ally. or call a racist statement a recent state

margaret sullivan is the media columnist for the washington post and has been a journalist for over four decades she has served four pulitzer prize juries and was a member of the pulitzer prize board from 2011 to 2012. she's a faculty oke

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