european listener, for example, until so widely known, but very ukrainian opera anna efimova valery savelyev anastasia popovaal ukraine about why in ukraine they constantly talked about the difficult colonial past and cultivated the image of the victim. we will talk with our permanent expert historian alexander vasiliev. sasha good afternoon. hello in general in nationalist mythology, as a rule, cultivates the image of the hero the image of success. and why in ukraine they suddenly started talking about the victim, as the main content, well, ukrainian history, it seems to me, that is a whole whole complex of factors, but one of them is that this one, and the image of the victim, he gives such a universal, well, moral induction for any action. well, here is an example of events. uh, in the thirtieth year in western ukraine, the region at that time was part of poland, so the second commonwealth ruled there. a sudsky pankil, right? it was a dictator, a very tough authoritarian regime. uh, with obvious fascist even elements. that is, of course, the ukrainians had a hard time living there. and that means, uh, the