katty kay is here u.s. special correspondent for bbc studios as well as an msnbc contributor pulling a true double today. and pete struck a former fbi counterintelligence agent. luke broad water i have to start with you. it feels like this whole topic of pardons was very well-deployed by the committee but in some ways saving some of this evidence for the very end. that not only did he know he lost, he knew that he and his aides had likely committed crimes. >> right. well, you know, as the january 6th committee is releasing these hundreds of transcripts and they're racing to get them all out the door before january 3rd when republicans will take control of the congress, the reason they're doing that is they really want the full transcripts out there. they don't want the new house majority to be able to cherry pick evidence and selectively release things. but as they're putting this out we're seeing even more revelations that we didn't know necessarily in realtime about we've heard a lot about talk about the

katty: talk about that more. there is no silver bullet there's a whole lot of things that need to be done and they need to be skilled at the same time, and made at the same time. but looking at the work you are doing at the doe, you have worked on transitions, what is it that most excites you about technology out there that you see as being potentially scalable at the rate we all need? is there one thing you point to that you wish we could invest more in? david: the challenging part -- katty: i am asking for a christmas gift. david: the challenging part is we have to do carbonized our energy economy, electricity, buildings, industry across the board. we have to do that by 2050, which is not that far off. i know from my kids, 2050 seems like a long time away. but 28 years is not that far off. that's a lot of work that needs to be done in a relatively short amount of time. it's incredibly exciting to see some of the progress we are having in some technology areas. wind, we are doing offshore wind like we have never

katty kay is with us, ka katty, seems by the day there are lies told by santos, but some could land him in hot water. >> yeah, for american politics, when you follow the money and where the money came from, a whole host of questions have been raised about santos that are more serious than resume embellishment or whatever it is he likes to call it. so the digging of the patch has begun a year ago, and it's now being done and depicted and does not look pretty. democratic congressman-elect jared moskowitz from florida is calling santos out. in a tweet, lying about your family almost being gassed in showers or being put in ovens in order to win an election is the lowest form of humanity. and i say that as someone whose grandmother was part of the kinder transport out of germany from the holocaust. and joining us, congressman-elect, thank you for joining us. your great grandparents were killed in auschwitz. and your grandparents escaped kinder transport. what do you make of santos and his heritage? >> yeah, good morning. it starts about lying about your college, it starts lying about your jo

but cat katty kay, despite the jokes that can come with this and lo there are many.has done before. we're reminded of the stop the steal movement, he raised money from his supporters on the back of a lie, a lie that the election was stolen and that a lie now being investigated by several jurisdictions and though there's nothing criminal about these nfts except in their appearance, this is another moment, though, where trump is playing his supporters for suckers. will they ever stop giving in? >> yeah, it reminds me. do you remember the time in the 2016 campaign where he did a press conference at mar-a-lago, he had behind him bottles of trump water and magazines, and slabs of steak and stuff, and he was sort of, you know, i can't quite remember why he did this. i think it was when he was being accused of selling university plates at a university that didn't exist. he wanted to prove he sold stuff, and his supporters right from the beginning loved the fact that he was a successful businessman, and him selling stuff is a sign of a successful businessman. this nft thing

>> well, i think behind the scenes, katty, there are discussions. very aware that it is very important for the public facing ukrainian effort to be without chinks, without any kind of crease that would indicate an unwillingness to prosecute this war to its fullest. there's obviously discussions going on quietly and in private about what is the end game, but i would remind you, america has a history of funding things for a very long time where no end game is part of the equation. look at afghanistan. look at the years we were putting money into afghanistan, and providing them with things they knew were not sustainable long-term. unlike ukraine where there is a real chance of a flourishing democracy and a leader in europe post this war if we can get them to the other side without putin prevailing in any way. i think one of the most interesting things about the politics of this is how the republican party has changed. in my time in congress, there would be no question that the republican party would be monolithic in its support for ukraine, and you see

i don't know if you can even say lost, though, katty. that was without a doubt, and i think everybody agrees, the most extraordinary world cup final anybody's ever seen. i must say, it's probably the best football game i have ever seen played yesterday. messi and mbappe just two, there are no words. just two extraordinary talents. they are the best of the best. >> i got so nervous at points during the game, i had to keep going into the kitchen to make a cup of tea. because i could not handle the stress and the pressure and the excitement. i think you're right, i was watching with a bunch of my kids' friend, all soccer nuts who have watched every single world cup game, many of them have been to them, and they said it was the most amazingly exciting game of football that they had ever seen. we expected great things from messi and mbappe. in the game against england, mbappe didn't show up very much. in this game, what is extraordinary about the french, they don't go for possession. argentinians had possession the whole time, and then just s

frank figliuzzi is here, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and katty kay. i saw this -- all three of you could have this conversation with us. ben, you write about this in your book, that this clash, this violent clash between democracies and autocracies is global. we can become so self-consumed here in this country. frank, you have talked about the inadequacy of the tool kit to deal with domestic threats. katty, you have been keeping our eyes on europe and the clashes happening there with the elections all year. i want to start with you, frank. tell me what you understand the details of this plot to be and how they foiled it. >> this is familiar. is it not? the scenario is uncanny, including the qanon influence, which i actually had not realized had reached germany to this kind of penetration level. look, there's differences and there's distinctions. the distinction in german law and operation and policy is where we should be focusing. first, let's compare and then we will contrast. like the united states, germany does not have a distinct, specific domesti

katty, start with the storm. the death toll continues to rise. americans continue to be stranded. >> yeah. by the way, all of those introductions were absolutely correct. there was no resume embellishment even for jon heilemann there. the troubles continue for southwest airlines and its passengers this morning. more than 2,500 additional flights expected to be canceled today again and the airlines says it could take days more to restore normal operations's more than 8,000 canceled flights since monday. southwest's ceo jordan says the airline has been unable to get flight crews where they need to be compounding the effects of the bad weather. in an interview on "nbc nightly news" last night, transportation secretary pete buttigieg demanded they take care of their travelers and employees. >> they told me they would go above and beyond i'm holding them accountable for doing that. >> does that mean compensation? financial compensation? >> absolutely. first of all, at a minimum, there needs to be cash refunds for the canceled flights, and they need to

we've got katty. she's going to be talking about the harry and meghan special and the response, quite a story in the "times," marc is going to be talking about his problems with the griner/viktor bout swap, and jonathan lemire is going to talk about just how horrible it is being a red sox fan and how our heart breaks just a little bit every morning. we have lined it up. and of course i'm going to talk to you about baker mayfield, did you hear about baker last night? >> a big comeback, a couple of days after he signed with the new team. >> it's pretty crazy. >> here's baker mayfield. just kind of took that one over. not on roids this morning, i promise. did baker mayfield get cut by the panthers right? >> he got cut on monday. he comes in last night. learns the basic ins and outs of the playbook, meets these guys, came in after the first series. they said let's take a shot with baker. they were down 16-3 in the fourth quarter, leads him on one drive, then goes 98 yards with no time-outs, throws that to

katty kay is still with us.itzer prize winning associate editor of the "washington post" bob woodward. chief who's correspondent for the "new york times," peter baker, and pulitzer prize winning columnist at "the washington post," eugene robinson is with us. what a great group we have for this hour, and, joe, the dems are hoping to move forward and try and work with republicans with the new leadership. you could hear that. >> we'll see. yeah, i heard that. we'll see. you also heard him talk about a temporary majority, so, yeah, we'll see what happens. i'm just curious, though, i want to start with bob woodward. bob, i'm sure you've got fascinating insight on the fallout from the seditious conspiracy trial and conviction of stewart rhodes, and a few others. what impact does that have on merrick garland's thinking? on the doj? possibly on donald trump? >> yeah, it gives them a strong basis. i think we are now at this point that the justice department, the new special counsel is going to have to indict trump or exp

i told joyce, we love to have you on, we love katty kay.cked her own time. >> nothing compares to the affordable care act, expanding health care to ten of millions of more americans and 150 million families having better benefits, lower cost and no preexisting condition, risking their access and no lifetime limits, being a woman no longer a preexisting condition. >> katty? >> yeah, i think i've said it on this show before -- thank you ari, for the education -- i said barack obama owes nancy pelosi flowers every day for the rest of his life and her life, because she got the affordable care act, and recently we've heard the speaker say she does it for the children. actually, the affordable care act did it for all americans. she mentioned, yes, it did it for younger americans, too, that stay on their parents' insurance. she was focused on all americans that didn't have health care coverage. it was the single biggest achievement in barack obama's eight years in office, and she was the woman responsible for it. >> yeah, i think you laid that out

do you stand up for democracy, katty kay? the question should be asked to every republican, every minute of every day by every reporter that can get in the presence of a republican leader because these people have a chance to lead, and quite frankly guide their supporters on the importance of the constitution. on the very framework of this democracy that got them elected can sometimes there is leading that needs to be done, and the question is will they -- they seem so weak, and simple minded, and quite frankly, as if their brain has been washed by donald trump. >> if you want to look at a picture of republican awkwardness, you only had to look at the sunday shows, and played some of the clips. there was also republican congressman david joist being interviewed by george stephanopoulos. he was asked, are you going to say that you would support a candidate who is in favor of doing away with the u.s. constitution. in the end, all the congressman could say, you know, he says a lot of things. >> no. >> they are pushed into a corn

special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay. a full house for the fourth hour. ambassador, let me start with you and your reaction to what you've seen here. you've been talking with us for months about brittney griner and paul whelan, securing the release of both of them. what's your take and your view about this deal? >> it's a great day for america when an american is freed. i agree exactly with what joe was saying. it's tragic that paul whelan was left behind. it's tragic, by the way, mark fogle, somebody i know personally, is also sitting in jail unjustly in russia. he was a teacher at our high school when i was the ambassador. he taught my kids. he taught the kids of diplomats and soldiers in moscow. he's in jail too. that is tragic. but we can have those same two thoughts at the same time, right? we should celebrate this win and also encourage the administration to get these other americans out of jail. >> and so, ambassador, what does that look like from here? the president of the united states said yesterday, admiral kirby said to us this morning, of cou

katty adler, bbc news, brussels. >> let's turn to matters financial. in the u.s. central bank rais interest rates again by .5%. it signaled a plan to keep raising rates to combat record high inflation. that comes even as inflation is showing signs of coming down a bit. in a moment we speak to our north american business correspondent samira hussain about what it means. first, talking to consumers in new york city about the effect of the rising prices. >> new york city's holiday markets are open. spirits may be high, and so is spending, but not necessarilyn gifts. what has been getting more expensive? >> everything. food, gas, clothes, the whole gamut. >> i spend a lot of money on groceries. everything a time you go to the grocery store something is like a couple cents or a dollar more than it was a month ago maybe. inflation has gone through the roof. it is insane. gas prices are awful. you go to the supermarket and abated -- and by two things and spend $30. it does not make sense. >> inflation may be easing, but it is from the highest rate in over 40 years. to sl

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jonathan, katty kay with us., takes in ideas from the members of the administration or congress on policy and ideas to talk to the president about and he sort of tries to direct and keep people away or get access for them. in this case, it's conspiracy theories and possibly martial law that mark meadows was dealing with. >> the gate was completely open. we learn more about that this morning. nearly two years later thousands of unseen publicly text messages revealing the lengths republican lawmakers went. there's 2,000 text messages to the house january 6 committee this year by former white house chief of staff meadows in conversation with at least 34 republican members of congress with many lawmakers sharing debunked conspiracy theories to help then former president trump stay in office. in a texz before the inauguration ralph norman writes our last hope is invoking marshal law with mar martial spelled incorrectly. he did respond to a plan to overturn the election floated by andy biggs after raising claims that i

i'm jonathan lemire alongside the bbc's katty kay. we're happy to report that msnbc contributor mike barnicle is joining us for the hour. we're in for joe, mika, and willie. catty, a lot of headlines to get to in this hour. >> the biggest one got mike off the ice rink earlier. >> landed a couple triple axels and came upstairs and -- >> i'm sort of disappointed he's changed out of his outfit, but there we go. >> and took the gold medal off. >> right. let's get to the headlines, mike, beyond yours. >>> the latest from buffalo where the national guard is going door to door checking on residents who lost power during the deadly blizzard. we'll have the latest as officials face scrutiny over that. and southwest airlines cancels more flights as it struggles to recover from the winter storm. the unions are speaking out about how the disaster could have been avoided. >>> and a federal judge cites evidence from the january 6th committee saying donald trump may have urged his supporters to do more than just protest on the day of the capitol att

all of the words coming out of mar-a-lago suggest it is katty wam pus there -- that's a kind word.are really at the beginning of the end of maga as a political powerhouse. that's the reason they're moving away. that's the reason you will see the jeff duncans and glen young kins, but be not fooled. these people have the same really fundamentally oppressive political and priority policies. >> yeah, and you know, tom, the thing is i think -- i'm going to let everybody become a political pundit around your dinner table. let me give you the dirty little secret. the reality is math, politics is just a math game. i'm not teaching don calloway anything he doesn't know. six in ten white voters are republican. eight in ten nonwhite voters are democrats. nine in ten black voters are democrats. seven in ten asian-american and six in ten hispanics. that's just reality. so the game, the name of the game in politics is can you take that 60% of white voters and make it 58. you make it 58, all of a sudden you get barack obama to be president. you can't peel off all white voters, but if you get 2%,

this is katty kay. >> today, i had a strange conversation with my 22 year old, my 16 year old last night and i said, okay, i've booked you in for covid days. you both back for the holidays. you're going to get your booster's. and both of them said, no, we don't want to . we've had enough vaccines and we don't think we need them. how can you? i was sort of shocked and appalled. but is this the kind of response you're seeing from young people at the moment that they just they think this is over and they don't need any more vaccines? dr. siegel, isn't that exactly what young people should be thinking? do they need new year didas greeting them in twenty , twenty three ? what room? and i see this a little differently, but i do think that what's really appalling is the perpetuation of mandates, the idea that people going back to university ,some universities are mandating the booster. i don't think the myocarditis is very common. i think it's been overblown. i don't think it's a particularly unsafe shot, but i don't think that it should ever have been mandated. and i think that that's caused a

mary and katty, stick around.jim hines will join our coverage on the dozens of house republicans who exchanged text messages with mark meadows. plus, congress confronts the most urgent national security threat facing the country. the republicans were highly critical of the biden administration over the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan but now that it's time to help the afghan allies and interpreters who fought side by side with our troops, many of those same republicans are refusing to act. we'll explain. don't go anywhere. o act. we'll explain. don't go anywhere. (dog barking) we love our pets. but we don't always love their hair. which is why we made bounce pet hair and lint guard with three times the pet hair fighting ingredients. just one sheet helps remove pet hair from your clothes! looking good starts in the dryer with bounce pet. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their webs