stephen hatch was tried first, at the canadian county courthouse. >> hatch was the follower, he's theer crime. he's the one who created the second crime. >> the state of oklahoma look to have an ironclad case against him. most important, of course, the harrowing stories of the eyewitnesses and survivors. and the thanksgiving statements, those confessions. the state also had ballistic evidence linking linking them to the murders, and the testimony of their traveling companion on the run. they testified that he told her about killing the douglas family . >> we had to surviving witnesses. we were able to identify them, we somewhat kept it simple. >> simple? for the judge hearing the case, maybe, but certainly not for those surviving witnesses. brooks had already testified once in the preliminary hearing. both he and his sister would have to relive it all for the trial. 13-year-old leslie douglas came to the trial. >> how did the kids do on the stand? >> they both did well. >> they stood up. so we tried them in one day. one witness after another. >> the hedge case took three days of the c

hatches and said, but if i do recall something. not every little detail. can i still say i don't recall? and he said yes. for that one moment, yes. stephen passantino should be disbarred if that testimony is believed. and should be convicted of perjury. if that testimony is to be believed. cassidy hutchison goes there and i said, if i do remember things. but not every little detail that i said. wouldn't i be purging myself? and he had said, stephen had said something effective. the committee doesn't know what you can and can't recall. so you want to be able to use that as much as we can, unless you really really remember something here. and that is where you give a short, sweet response. the correct answer to that question. if i do remember things, but not every little detail wouldn't i be purging myself? the correct answer to that question is yes. you would be perjuring yourself. stephen passantino lied to his client about that. with costly hutchinson's testimony. if cassidy hutchinson who had never -- and cannot afford a lawyer. had been offered this free lawyer from what she called -- it cassidy hutchinson's the mid to remain under th