yes, because a conservative mp of one, they say from the red wall, brendon clarke smith has said that how to budget and that's essentially if you're on 32,000 salary you shouldn't be using food and so of course because it's a backbench tory mp . of course he's got a fair amount of criticism. do you think he's got a point? i think he has. i'm sorry. i mean , yeah, he has. i'm sorry. i mean, yeah, you shouldn't have to use a food bank on 2000. well, i think the problem is 32,000. it can vary hugely, depending upon your circumstances , if you're a circumstances, if you're a single person in part of the country by house prices are cheap, then absolutely you should be able to live off 32,000. but if you're in living in london or part of the south—east, where where house pnces south—east, where where house prices extremely high, you have two or three children, 32,000 is going to go very, very quickly. but that doesn't mean to say that don't think there is something in this story. food banks think we should be banks and i think we should be questioning really going on questioning really is g