that's my question because if congressman david trone, democrat of maryland, has come back to the house of representatives, which i'm told a democratic congressman just told me he had a medical appointment. now he's back and that lifts -- >> they don't need to get four. they only -- there's seven hold-outs, minus three is four. >> no, what i'm -- >> because the denominator is changed. >> if trone comes back and i'm told he's back that means mccarthy needs 217 vote, not 216 and that means he needs to pick up four of these seven rebels. four. >> so one of my sources predicts that there will only be three hold-outs in the end and that will be matt gaetz, boebert and good. >> and the image we were just seeing was of patrick mchenry, one of the top mccarthy lieutenants -- there you see it, the back of his head. he's talking to boebert. there you go. he's talking to matt gaetz. i mean, if he can flip those two, god only knows what he can offer them. >> those two -- >> i agree. the fact that he's even having that conversation as the vote is open, i mean, look at him. look at -- that is mchenry

congressman david trone of maryland, the democrat, came back for that 13th vote. a tweet from the congressman -- time to vote for hakeem jeffries. david trone sending that out earlier today, he was on the floor for the 13th round and is expected to be back on the floor for a 14th round, that's what we're expecting at 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight. we're asking you your thoughts on two rounds of voting, the fifth most speaker votes in history at this point. carol in the natural state, republican, good morning, you're next. caller: good morning. i just wan to say that i got to take my hat off to the guy who had surgery and showed up. this -- it is ridiculous and i do not stand with mccarthy. you can forget that. anybody who wears an american flag and then has a great big ukraine flag on their lapel is definitely out of here as far as i'm concerned. i want to see my crawford and hill and womack and westerman, what i'd like to see is harriet hagman nominated, the lady who beat the socks of liz cheney. if everyone would look her speech up, democrat and republican, it's ca

jake tapper from cnn and david trone of maryland has returned to the house. he missed that 12th ballot for speaker. and democrats saying this will bring the number needed to win up by one for kevin mccarthy. the number needed to win, 217 at this point and see if david trone votes and if there is a 13th round of voting and will happen after the clerk makes the 12th round tally official and see what republicans decide to do. there could be a motion for adjournment. live coverage here on c-span. the clerk of the house: the tellers agree in their tallies that the total number of votes cast is 431 of which the honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california has received 213. the honorable hakeem jeffries of the state of new york has received 211. the honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received four. the honorable kevin hern of the state of oklahoma has received three. no member-elect having received

. >> sandra: so bret, your thoughts as we did see the one democrat, david trone from maryland return to the floor, a little color he showed back up for the 14th vote after missing the 12th wearing a sling and walking with a cane, standing ovation from democrats as he was helped on to the floor, raised the number of votes we see here. still a couple absent, 432 voting right now, but that could change as some reps are intending to return for additional voting that may happen this evening. >> bret: yeah, a couple of things. one is right, now after 13 ballots, the lawmakers know exactly who's who and as far as where their votes have been, and where they are. so if there is a change there is a standing ovation and it's very exciting. when trone came back on the floor and voted, standing ovation from democrats. there were a number of democrats who wanted to go to the white house for that remembrance for 1-6, the capitol riot honoring the capitol police over there, they did not go, and they are full strength, 212, the maximum number of democrats who have voted. mccarthy is picking off one b

even on the democrat side. representative david trone came straight to vote in round 13 off the surgery in the morning. receiving applause from his party colleagues, still in his hospital sucks. his boat effectively added to the tele against mccarthy. by keeping the threshold to win as high as possible. all eyes on this shifting threshold. it's based on the number of members who are actually in the house and vote, because these best charms now would appear to get the 2 absent republicans bank to vote. in a procedural vote, the house decided to adjourn for some 6 hours. the house speaker, candidate confident, now that victory is near, we made some very good progress. we'll come back tonight. i believe at that time we'll have the vote to finish. just want to just remind you of what my father always starts. full days and 13 rounds of voting and a series of concessions. but kevin mccarthy's battle is still not one mckenna ultra 0. washington. well, in fisheries live 1st, that's a capital hill and not long to go before yet another attent. while kevin mccarthy obviously hoping that it's going

even on the democrat side, representative david trone came straight to vote in round 13 off the surgery in the morning. receiving applause from his party colleagues still in his hospital sucks. his vote effectively added to the tele against mccarthy. by keeping the threshold to win as high as possible, all eyes on this shifting threshold. it's based on the number of members who are actually in the house and vote. mccarthy's best charms now would appear to get the 2 absent republicans bank to vote. in a procedural vote, the house decided to adjourn for some 6 hours. the house speaker, candidate confident, now that victory is near, we make a very good progress. we'll come back tonight. i believe at that time we'll have the vote. just wanted to just remind you of what my father started for days and 13 rounds of voting and a series of concessions. but kevin mccarthy's battle is still not one. mckenna ultra 0 washington house democrats have led commemorations mark in the 2nd anniversary of the journey. the 6 attack on the u. s. capital members paid tribute to the officers who kept them safe

my understanding is with democratic congressman david trone having come back to the house after his medical procedure this morning it might be 217? >> yeah. so just view it as a fraction, so for every two numbers that come off the denominator, 435, one comes off the numerator of 218. if 434 voting, that's how many we have here, the number is still 218. if that goes down by one it goes to 217, drops another two, through present votes or absences, goes to 216. keep in mind, we have two members on the republican side that we're missing this morning on their way back now. >> they're on their way back now? >> yes. >> it's kind of up in the air whether you need 216 or 217. how are you going to flip the remaining six? you just got congressman andy harris from maryland to switch his vote. you've got an lot of rebels to switch their votes. you still have some of the holdouts. biggs, boebert, crane, gaetz, good, and rosendale. what is going on to get any of them -- i think you need at least two of them -- to flip? >> yeah. we're -- a handful to vote present because that would lower the number. but i

because you just saw how david trone, the democrat, how his return to the chamber raised the magic number to 217, and as we say, mccarthy has to get four from this list. what if that happened with one of the other two republicans? and what if ken buck from colorado came back, if he came back later today. and hunt, whether he came back. if only one of them comes back, okay, then there's 430, if one of those two republicans comes back, there's 4333 total voting member, and the magic number doesn't change. it stays at 217. so this is a little quirk here. it would be better for mccarthy if one of those two, huntz or buck, came back, because they both have been mccarthy supporters, and if one of them came back and voted for mccarthy, he would be up to 214, and the magic number would remain at 217, and then he would only need three from this list. now, if they both came back, there would be 434 voting members, and the magic number then would rise to 218, okay, and then actually, we have 215 votes, so he would need three anyway. i just talked myself out of that today. either way, it brings him o

last name and hakeem jeffries on every single roll call vote with the exception of a couple when david troneas out was at 212. so suddenly, if you have just the right number of people who are away on the republican side of the aisle not there for kevin mccarthy and jeffries people stay in town and vote, guess what? you could have speaker jeffries. i know that sounds crazy with a capitol k. but that's kind of where we are right now. but you would be compelled to have that next vote no matter what. >> but my question to you, chad, would be, you know as the speaker of the house as we've seen many times over several years, the speaker of the house needs to know how many votes he has going into various situations and they came up a vote short tonight and a lot of people are going to ask this question if they're not already asking it is how do you screw that up. how do you mess that up by one vote? i mean, they were elated all day and even matt gaetz and lauren boebert were on hannity tonight and they were satisfied with the way this thing is going. and now suddenly we're a vote short and nobody's

population here and assuming nobody else is out and assuming that nobody on the democratic side is out, david trone, democrat from maryland was out on the first vote. he had surgery and came back on the second vote. that's why it changes constantly every vote. so you could go to 434 potentially. you still need -- if you go to 434, 217 doesn't get it. that's not enough. you need 218. so this is why this is very critical. sometimes at night, late night votes, people don't show up. they go to the bar. they miss the vote. they're not here. a number of things could happen. this could go either direction. maybe they solve this tonight, maybe they don't. they still need to peel off some of those four members who are adamant against mccarthy right now. >> neil: so let's get into that. gaetz would be a no. bigs probably a no as well. you rely on crane in arizona rosendale in montana and maybe good in virginia. that gets you three. doesn't get you four if it came to that. >> it's interesting when you listen to the comments here. matt gaetz, he opened up the door not saying he would vote for kevin mccarthy bu