which is so different than the videos featuring eric garner, philando castile, and so many more.fore these videos, people like me thought that just recording cell phone footage of cops and people acting like cops doing clearly unjust things would lead to justice. but time and time again, we found out that it doesn't. cops and people acting like cops get away with murdering black people all the time. so in these new videos, the people aren't just recording and waiting for the cops to show up. they're getting involved. >> do you seriously just call the police on a child? >> fewer bystanders, more upstanders. so in many cases, the cops don't have to get involved. and if they do, sometimes it's just to comfort the snowflakes. >> i'm being harassed. >> it'll be okay, becky. and while the stuff in these videos might be new for some of you white folks, my people have been talking about these stories since that famous boat ride. so this episode, white folks, i'm inviting you to the conversation. welcome to the black people meeting. >> good morning! >> please don't bring your potato salad

eric garner was killed because the new york police department killed him.ack is not -- tax. >> they would never come out if it was in a cigarette tax. >> let me opinio finish what i'm saying. look, people who are trying to go and enjoy nature don't have to be subject to second-hand smoke, they are all good, we know smoking kills, not just those who smoke but those around them, and in general it is good she is taking steps to cut town on new yorkers smoking. kennedy: d so does dress and being s sedentary, when will phys fitness police come after that. >> amazing, public health, the mechanism of public health failed left and right and tripped on its own belt loops, i guess. if 12 1/2% of americans smoke, that is down from a high of 46% i believe. people who are obese. not a great clear message from governor hochul about maybe pot is not a great alternative to cigarette tobacco, maybe ses cigarette spokes is not great, wi taxing people oh, more than half of the cigarettes that are purchased in state of new york, are smuggled in. how is another adding a dollar

we cannot keep -- eric garner chokehold in one state. we need federal law. we do not need to keep going through this, hoping that you have a black police chief here that will do this. one of the things that really gets to me, chris, is, i thought about this when i was talking to the family over the last couple of days -- it's within a short distance, is where martin luther king junior was killed, to try to get some quality -- and those black cops, in many, ways are on the force because a man died on a balcony in that town. and they would behave in this way? there is no way we are going to stop until we get justice in federal law because of this? >> the reverend al sharpton and my good friend and colleague joy reid. my good friend and colleague -- it's great to have you both here. >> thanks. thanks, chris. >> -- don't go anywhere, that's next. anywhere, that's next with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv with fidelity

this is what you see with eric garner, george floyd, many cases that were small infractions that we would consider less serious. you not thinking about what this means to the person. you are thinking about your career. john: thank you so much for your insight. this afternoon, the memphis police department said they deactivated the scorpion unit. tensions are on the rise in israel after a 13-year-old boy opened fire and wounded two israelis in east jerusalem this morning. police say armed civilians overpowered the attacker. last night, a palestinian gunman shot & killed seven people outside a synagogue in an israeli settlement in east jerusalem. prime minister benjamin netanyahu and the top national security minister visited the synagogue overnight. fresh blood still ran down the pavement. netanyahu convened his cabinet this evening to consider israel's response to the violence - measures that include authorizing more gun licenses for israeli citizens, and ceiling and destroying the homes of accused terrorists. this afternoon secretary of state antony blinken departed for a trip to the mid

alton sterling, pamela turner, eric garner deserved it. i mean, being killed for riding a bicycle while being black in las vegas and yet the investigation is still going on over a year so we have a precedent that has been set here in memphis and we intend to hold this blueprint for all america from this day forward. [ applause ] now, also and you're going to hear from her, what grace and dignity for rowvaughn, tyre's mother. she said previously that she feels god used her son as an assignment and bishop williamson, even though it's very, very painful and god knows it's tragic but she believes god used her son as an assignment. >> amen. >> and her and mr. wells said this assignment is for reform, reform that we can try to prevent some of these hashtags of black and brown people being unjustly killed by police. that we can create a tyre law >> that's right. >> here in tennessee. >> come on. that's it. >> that will be -- that will emphasize the importance of police officers, president turner, to have a duty to intervene when they see crimes b

pablo: 1991, los Ángeles, los policÍas dan mÁs de 50 bastonazos. 2014 es, un policÍa mata a eric garnerun policÍa de carolina del sur mata de ocho disparos por la espalda al afroamericano walter scott mientras huÍa. tras una parada de trÁfico se iniciÓ una pelea y scott intentÓ escapar. en 2015 este hombre fue arrestado en baltimore. la policÍa lo puso en un carro policial sin cinturÓn de seguridad. acusaron a la policÍa de manejar errÁticamente. en mayo del 2020 un policÍa de mineÁpolis pone sus rodillas sobre el cuello del afroamericano jorge floyd, que estaba esposado en el suelo. >> quiero justicia para Él, declarÓ su mujer. tanto la gente como el que habÍa a la docena sin hacer nada fueron condenados. la policÍa dijo que guardado les amenazÓ con un arma, pero otros disputaron esta versiÓn. tambiÉn se generaron intensas protestas. muchos expertos afirman que el departamento de policÍa debe hacer un mejor trabajo a la hora de seleccionar quiÉn puede ser un mejor agente. >> yo le aconsejo al departamento de policÍa de que tenga mÁs supervisiÓn en casos de que hayan intervenciones de o

you have a very close connection with folks like gwen carr, the mother of eric garner, and the sister john -- bothan john, who have lost people to police violence. have you been in touch with them over the last few days and what is that community like for you? tiffany: i am thankful have a community of individuals who simply understand and can relate to what i am feeling. i connected with the mother of beyond a tailor and trayvon martin and -- breonna taylor and trayvon martin and eric garner. we were all struggling and we were trying to figure out, will it ever stop? the common thread is we can't give up, and dr. bernice king made me feel a little better, she said we will feel all sorts of things, but we have to make sure those feeling are fueled, or is the fuel to keep acting, to keep organizing, to keep rally crying. that's what we all decided we would do. but right now we are struggling and no one should feel this pain. no one should have to be part of this community, this sisterhood, this brotherhood. but i am comforted to know that someone understands what we are ing through. am

in 2014 eric garner was choked to death by offices. his killing was caught on camera and in 1991 rodney king was severely beaten by 4 los angeles police officers. film of the incident led to 5 days of undress. but these are just a few, among many incidents of police brutality and excessive use of force. in 2022, nearly 1200 people were killed by officers in the us. the highest annual number on record. black americans are disproportionately at risk studies show, they are nearly 3 times more likely to be killed by police then white americans. ah, well let's bring in our guest now for today's show in baltimore is debbie hines, former assistant attorney general for maryland in new jersey is eli money, a black lives matter activists and co founder of black liberation, collective, and in new york, alexis hoped for jericho director for the center for criminal justice at brooklyn law school. thank you all for being on inside story. we appreciate your time. before we delve into the issues at hand here i want to ask you each one of you, your rea

when we say alton sterling, when we say eric garner, when we say stephon clark, when we say laquan mcdonald. when we say philando castillo. when we say daunte wright, when we say amir locke, atatiana jefferson. is that not a systemic problem with the culture when you have these many unarmed black people dying? we're not talking about people who got guns coming at the police. because we look at the data, attorney romanucci, you know, van turner, i mean, these are great lawyers. we don't just go willy-nilly. we look at statistics. we look at when the police have to use deadly force with white citizens, it's normally with a citizen has a deadly weapon. that's not true when we look at deadly encounters with black people and police. i mean, how many times do we have to hear another black man was shot in the back while he was running away from the police and that doesn't happen often. >> you're listening here to ben crump, the attorney for the family of tyre nichols and standing beside him were tyre nichols' parents, rowvaughn wells and his father, his stepfather, rodney wells. this is coming on

you think about eric garner in new york city. they still didn't do anything on that one until sterling in louisiana, your home state. that was on video. they didn't do anything on that. so, now they can't tell us it takes this long to investigate because when those five black officers here in memphis, tennessee, were caught killing tyre nichols, they moved swiftly. and we want it to be swift action on any police officer, whether white or black, who kill our people. >> benjamin crump, thank you for appearing. i know it's been a long day for you. and i hope the mother and the dad are at least getting some rest right now. we appreciate you. thanks a lot. >> thank you. and thank you for the interview this morning, don. >> thank you. >>> i want to go quickly now back to shimon prokupecz. you have some breaking news for us. >> yes. yeah, don. we're just getting word there's more fallout now in connection to this investigation. two sheriff's deputies have been placed on leave, according to a statement from the shelby county sheriff, she

nothing we can do will ever bring back tyre nichols, eric garner, or any black american killed by a system that did not value their life. we can, however, demand accountability and sweeping reforms some police departments that have built, maintained and even encouraged a culture of brutality and even racism. the time is now to re-evaluate and reimagine. we must start doing our jobs. as public servants, we have a duty to do right by our communities even if that means starting the long, difficult process of reforming and restructuring our justice system. it is the duty of the federal government to ensure that law enforcement is used to protect communities, not tear them apart. last congress, the house passed the george floyd justice in policing act but the senate blocked it from becoming law. that was a disappointment, but it cannot be a deneat. this congress -- defeat. this congress we have a new opportunity to end qualified immunity and protect our communities. however, that opportunity will not seize itself. house republicans have spent endless time and resources establishing committees f

that antonio's -- eric garner, it goes on. why did not justice move swiftly for the officers involved in those cases? >> richard, there is no good answer the question. i think race definitely plays a factor here. at the same, time i do have to acknowledge this case is uniquely horrible. the media comparative that i could be using its ronald greene because what this make the situation different is that these officers are actually charged with unintentional killing. even a situation of derek chauvin murder in george floyd, he was charged with unintentional murder. you see things on this video that we don't typically see. like, for example, the officers standing him of so they can continue to abuse and punish him. those circumstances should give rise to swift justice the way that you see it here. however, the reason why we don't see in other cases because there are safeguards billed for police officers that subject them to a different criminal justice system than the rest of us are exposed to. that's the bottom line answer. >> so

think about the video of eric garner in staten island, new york. how long it took on that one. think about all these cases. think about pamela turner, houston, texas, killed on video. it took a year for them to bring charges even though they had the video day one. think about ronald green in louisiana. they had the video for day one. took over a year to bring charges against them. so many -- my god, think about 14-year-old tamir rice on video. why justice didn't move swiftly for these black people when they were killed by white police officers. we have to make the point exceedingly clear, we now have the blueprint, america. we won't accept less going forward in the future. we won't have black officers treated differently than white officers. we want equal justice under the law. tyre deserved it. all our children. barry williams was killed for riding a bicycle while black in las vegas on video. and yet the investigation is still going on over a year. we have a precedent that has been set here in memphis. we intend to hold this blueprint for all america from this day forward. >>

disbanded all of its plainclothes anti-crime units, the kind responsible for the chokehold death of eric garnerrk city mayor and former police officer eric adams told cnn on monday specialized units aren't inherently bad. >> the units don't create abuse. abusive behavior creates abuse. >> reporter: nearly 25 years later, amadou diallo's mother is still fighting to change police practices. >> i have to hold my heart and i have to let them know that this is a club that we wish we never had to welcome them. and this is a club that no families want to be part of. >> reporter: from philadelphia to baltimore and indianapolis, memphis is the latest example of an all too common cycle, crime rises, police create an aggressive unit that delivers an increase in arrest. then comes scandal or tragedy. >> ever since then the department of justice may go to memphis and look at the scorpion unit. >> the civil rights unit there is looking at the shooting overall. but then they can bring in doj personnel to look at the practices and patterns of this unit. and it's certainly something that could happen, anderson.

whether it be white officers who kill eric garner in new york. who killed la kwon mcdonald in chicago. who killed ej bradford in montgomery, alabama. who killed crusher in oklahoma. who killed pamela in houston, texas. all these captured on video, but yet we had to go a year or two years on an investigation when they saw the video day one. >> indeed. important raising. thank you so much. joining us now is "washington post" columnist, eugene robinson and jenae nelson. you've been calling for federal funding in the memphis police department. i think ben crump was talking about there's a federal role here for sure, calling for comprehensive federal legislation. are you any more optimistic about this because we didn't see after george floyd after that george floyd act ever got through congress. >> yes, it's hard to muster optimism in this moment. i will say though i think each of these incidents advances the public's understanding about the depth of police violence and the pervasiveness of it and it will call more people to action. i don't think anyo

he didn't drag this out as prosecutors did in new york with the eric garner case. he acted swiftly. once he had the evidence he made the decision to prosecute. and the police department made the proper human resources decision. and that was to terminate and this is very different from what we've customarily seen in these instances where there is a delay, there is a battle, there's just obfuscation before a decision is made so having said that, i think there is a very important role with provisions of what was the george floyd justice in policing bill. that could, in fact, be the difference. victor, here's the thing, every mayor, every police chief, every county commissioner that has direct jurisdiction over a police department should see this as an absolute wake-up call that they need to examine, interrogate and make sure that their own department that's under their jurisdiction that they control isn't and hasn't and doesn't and won't engage in these types of practices, so there's a federal response which is a heavy responsibility on local electeds. >> let's talk about them. of cour

one of the most famous being the chokehold death of eric garner. another piece of video we do not want to watch. the officers involved were not charged, as you know, representative. are you confident here in the swift action taken against the officers in the tyreek nichols case? will it have an impact across the nation, or even just in that state, a new standard, possibly? >> i'm hopeful, just because i'm a hopeful person. as you know, most officers aren't disciplined. most aren't fired. most aren't charged. and those who aren't charged are not usually convicted. the officers who beat rodney king on camera word not convicted. i'm hoping that we live in a new age where accountability becomes central to how we do policing in america. at a federal level, we haven't taken a steps to do is necessary to pass federal legislation. thank the justice in policing act, passed the house, hasn't moved in the senate at all because of republican senators who don't want to support the legislation. there are other pieces of legislation, with the peoples justice guar

it reminds me of george floyd, it reminds me of eric garner. it is inexcusable. >> sickening.nk you for your time tonight. we will be looking to tomorrow. you will be talking with martin luther king the third and his wife coming up on politicsnation at 5 pm eastern. everyone should for that as well. on tuesday, -- chris hayes and try mainly as they host national day of racial healing. msnbc town hall live from new orleans. they will discuss the recent rise in hate speech across america and how we make strides toward becoming a more just and equitable society. that is tuesday at 10 pm eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. still ahead -- >> please stay in your seats until we get to your house. pause to yourself. tails out of the aisles. marie, you are sitting in the emergency exit. are you willing and capable of off-loading the pups in the remote chance of an emergency? thank you. >> i don't care who you are, you can't deny the cuteness of the puppy bus. we will tell you about it next. shingles. the rash can feel like an intense burning sensation and last for weeks. it can

eric garner was on video. i've talked to those families. they don't believe seeing this is enough. you have to have change and so this doesn't happen again. >> this video situation, it does feel like without the video, there wouldn't have been any justice. >> sure. >> we are getting it too late but she brings up a point. it was interesting to hear the congressman agree that, yeah. interstate, the wandering cop issue, i guess we gotta -- you know, i understand he has an ideological point of view about not doing that, but he also admitted the flaw, i think. >> sure. you can pick apart any single factor, the wandering cop issue, you know, body cameras, banning choke holds, all of this stuff. these are all little pieces of what is clearly a larger problem. i think when we treat these incidents like isolated incidents, we fail to see the forest through the trees, which is to say, there's a larger problem here. we've all been having this conversation. certainly many people for generations. but really as a nation for the last three years since the killing of george floyd. what changed sin

these officers, they know about george floyd, eric garner on staten island, all the other cases whereolice. they know they're wearing body cams, and yet they even high-fived each other at the end of this. it was appalling and disgusting. why would they do that knowing this was all going to be seen? it's hard to fathom. >> my only thought on that is that they believed that they can get away with it. that's the only thing that i can think of. and if what you mentioned, if there was a pattern and a practice of this in that police department before chief davis took over, then it makes all the sense in the world. yes, they think they can get away with it, and we've seen this happen with a number of other police departments across the country. that's why you see the consent decrees, because the doj will go in and investigate and determine that this has been a culture. so that's my only -- howard: i think you put your finger on it. they thought they could get away with it, and maybe 20 years ago they would have -- >> absolutely, they would have. howard: gianno caldwell, griff jenkins, thanks

we went through that with eric garner in the nypd at the request of the attorney general of the uniteds,, so this was, this was swift, this was efficient and so far effective. >> i want to play something that tim scott set on the floor just this evening tonight urging colleagues to act. >> i take the issue of policing in america seriously. i warn our body to see it not as an issue of republicans versus democrats. but as good people, standing in the gap, elected to do a job that we all ran to do. let's do our jobs. we can make a difference in this nation. have a duty to intervene, within the law of the land on the federal level. it could've made a difference. -- >> so, there wasn't effort and their two police reform bills that never got anywhere, didn't get through the house, didn't get through the senate. is anything gonna change? now >> i don't think so. i think it's plausible. what time says their, is the absolute right thing. he's the best for republicans personally this. i think he's exactly the right. percent >> but he was leading it on the george floyd act, and it didn't go anywh

george floyd, breonna taylor, eric garner, tim yet raise, michael brown, daunte wright, andrea hill they all died at the hands of police. leading the protest after protest. yet nothing has been done at the federal level to reform policing in america. president biden has vowed to sign into law a meaningful bill while he is in office. but the odds of passing anything significant, let alone comprehensive seems vanishing lee small. remember republican senator tim scott from south carolina? he and democratic senator cory booker began to work on the police reform bill. but that ultimately fell apart. now there appear to be no major efforts in congress to reform policing. why not? well, democrats no longer can stroll the house. and the new party seems -- then any real governance. but it was not always that way. remember for the first two years of the biden white house? democrats actually had control of both chambers of congress. so why did they not seize the opportunity and get anything done? you can think these two, senators kristen sinema and joe manchin. it was sinema and manchin that dug in

elected, you have revived a controversial anti-crime nypd unit that was responsible for the death of eric garnero you respond to the nichols family? >> first of all, i understand their feeling and emotion. i remember when the first time i shared with my mom that i was assaulted by police officers how devastating it was for her. it was years later. but she understood what it was. and so i understand when those who are the victims of the abusive police behavior respond a certain way. we have an obligation of using all the tools properly to keep citizens safe. and right here in new york city, we did not reinstate the anti-crime unit that was a plain clothe is unit and plain vehicles. what we put back in place based on hearing from the public officers wearing a modified uniform so they could be properly identified, proper training and make sure the officers who are assigned were hand picked and understood how to interact with the public and keep your pod body cameras on. it is the body cameras and the camera from the pole that allow us to get the transparency we need sod we can properly make the rig

and when i think of how we went through situations from eric garner, to michael brown in ferguson, andorge floyd, and i did all of those eulogies, and helped organize a lot of those. a lot of people are saying here we go again. what i am saying is we never answered legislatively to change the laws on policing. we had the opportunity. we came very close to passing the george floyd justice and policing act which would have dealt with qualified immunity, which may have been something that these officers had to consider before they went through such a brutal, and murderous escapade on this innocent young man. >> charles, you are a former prosecutor. and i am wondering when you saw the video initially, what was your reaction, and if we could also just address the police report here. because what the memphis police department said happened, and the police report that they wrote down that they pulled them over, there was a confrontation, and then tyre nichols ran, and they caught him, there was another confrontation, and then as they were arresting him they complained about not being able to

i did the illuzzi for eric garner, i did the eulogy for michael brown in ferguson. with the ferguson killing. i did two of the eulogies of george floyd. on and on in brooklyn minnesota. probably about 10 to 15. it's not only the eulogies. the action network was there to organize and call for protests. we did that big, march 20,000 people in the middle of the pandemic for all the families in august of 2020. so, it's the mobilization and the eulogies. when you look at it every, time you sit back and you say, maybe we are making progress. we got an executive order. and then something else happens to remind us, unless we change the laws, unless the federal laws -- unless we deal with policeman having to be held accountable in terms of they, can be sued themselves, i don't think we're going to see this change. because i don't think police feel that they have any skin in the game in terms of being at risk of losing something personally. >> let me ask you this, rev, 10 to 15 probably more, let's be honest, that you've delivered at this point. honest>> i just talk to antoni

phone videos, we have seen the police killings captured on tape not just of tyre nichols, but of eric garner, george floyd, philando castile, walter scott. the list, unfortunately, goes on and on and on. what do you see as the compound effect of that? riana: yeah. again, when we think about what can happen to our mind and our body, there are so many things that, either from a response, where we believe that it's going to happen, or what's more common now, this nonresponse of our bodies and minds are getting used to it, that compounded response is something that i'm a bit nervous is leading to ways that we're believing that this is a common occurrence. it is potentially reducing the amount of agency that we think that we have in stopping something like this. it's something that is really impacting those that are watching it, both who are the target demographic and those who are not. geoff: well, let's talk more specifically then. how should black folks in particular cope with, grapple with, process this stuff? riana: yeah. one of the things that i'm mindful of here is that there was a lot of

cellphone video's, we have seen police killings captured on tape not just of tyre nichols, but eric garnerloyd, philando castile, walter scott -- the list unfortunately goes on and on. what dyou see is the compound effect of that? riana: yeah, you know, again, when we think about what can happen to our mind and body, there are so many things that either from a response where we believe it will happen or what is more common now, a nonresponse, our bodies and minds are getting used to it, that component response is something i am a bit nervous is leading to ways we are believing this is a common occurrence. it is potentially reducing the amount of agency we think we have in stopping something like this. it is something that is really impacting those watching it, both the target demographic and those who are not. geoff: let's talk more specifically. how should lack folks in particular grapple with and process the stuff? riana: one of the things i am mindful of is there was a lot of warning this was coming and so for a number of clinicians who i know, including myself, we chose not to watch it

. >> so new york's anti-crime unit was disbanded after the chokehold death of eric garner, and obviously this unit that we've been talking about, the scorpion unit, was just disbanded. when you were in charge in boston, you saw crime go down overall. how did you use special units? can they work if they're done right? >> if you listen to the community, one of my first meetings i went to, i went to mission hill and listened to two or 300 young black men who told us our units were jumping out of the cars and tipping guys up side down to see if guns would fall out. i went back and met with the gang unit and said this was not the mission that i wanted accomplished. i wanted to do very different things to connect with the community and respond to what community needs were. you can't make everybody who's between the age of 15 and 25 a suspect. you need to be very cautious about how you go at this. and that change made a difference there. and i think -- i think that listening to the community, understanding what's happening, looking at those measurements of what they're doing and how they're doi

when eric garner was killed in indianapolis -- my favorite is obstructing pedestrian traffic. things to harass the poor in order to generate income. it is a completely two-tiered legal system. and we must not forget, although everyone has a right to a fair trial, and 95% or 96% of those in our prison system never get a jury title -- never get a jury trial because they are coerced to plea out. how does that work? they stack all sorts of charges against you, many of which the prosecutor and police know that you did not commit and then they organ. kidnapping is a favorite. they will take off kidnapping. if you go to a jury trial, you rarely have adequate legal representation and all of those charges stay. one of the tragedies is -- and i would estimate maybe 20% or 25% of people do not commit the crime for which they are imprisoned for and they are often the ones who went to trial, and they thought that because they were innocent, the system would find them innocent and that was the big mistake. because they are used as an example. you don't want to plea out. host: you alluded to

that's just one example, eric characters but there are other examples that you could garner more intelligence. you could find out more things that are going on between the relationship between north korea and russia. and it could be negatively affect russia's capability of fighting the war in ukraine. so those are the kinds of things that happen. it's not just the ability to say, hey, we're going to call these people and classify them a certain group. it has to do with what legal, commercial, economic systems can then do against those organizations. >> lieutenant general mark hertling, again, thank, you as always for your expertise and insight. >> you're welcome. thanks. >>> a secret list aimed at keeping america safe, turns out it's no longer safe. the tsa investigating a cyberhack after someone put a no fly list of suspected or known terrorists online. >>> plus, for the first time the parents of the 6-year-old boy accused of shooting his teacher are speaking out and claim that gun was secured. the first of t. three generations, who all bank differently with chase. leon's saving up for his f

eric, it is good to have you with us today. i think what has garneredmuch attention are not just the details of this case, but the details of this family and how deep the roots are in this particular county in south carolina. they go back generations where the murdaughs have been prosecutors and even in jury selection yesterday, protective jurors were asked about potential ties to the family, whether they attended parties or gatherings hosted by them, have they heard about the case. can you just walk us through how deep that history and influence is in this county? >> good morning. thanks for having me. it is a rich and long cemented history, not only in the county where the case is being held in collin, but the surrounding counties of hampton and buford county where the murdaughs for generations were solicitors in those counties. to give you an example, when the judge asked does anybody know of the murdaughs or heard of the events which have given rise to these criminal murder charges, every single person of the 600 or so that was in the pool stood up.

garner sympathy and distract from a series of financial crimes where murdaugh stole millions of dollars from the family law firm and from clients >> it's a circumstantial evidence case. >> reporter: attorney eric bland represent the satterfield family satterfield was the murdaugh's former housekeeper a cause of death was never determined, and police are investigating. especially here in low country where murdaugh is a household name >> everybody says, well, we want jurors that don't though anything about this case >> reporter: that's impossible >> it's impossible >> reporter: one possible piece of evidence, a snapchat video taken just before paul and maggie murdaugh were killed. several legal experts agree that the evidence against murtadaughs largely circumstantial, with no witnesses, no surveillance video and no murder weapon, it's going to come down to how each side presents their case and hwho th jury finds most credible >>> the taylor swift ticket debacle will hit capitol hill today as the senate holds a hearing on lack of competition in the industry. fans were left in the cold after ticketmaster melted down but don't expect the company to say "i'm the problem, it's me. brie jackson is in

garner sympathy and distract from a series of financial crimes where murdaugh stole millions of dollars from his family law firm and from clients. >> this is a circumstantial evidence case. >> reporter: attorney eric bland represents the satterfield home. his former housekeeper died at his home in 2018. and murdaugh confessed to stealing millions from an insurance settlement following her death. a cause of death was not determined and police are locating, especially here where murdaugh is a household name. >> everybody says, we want jurors that don't know anything about this case. >> reporter: it is impossible. >> it is impossible. >> reporter: one possible piece of evidence that jurors will need to take into account, a snapchat video taken just before paul and maggie murdaugh were killed. >> reporter: as jurors are vetted inside, outside an invasion of cameras, tents and trucks on every corner of the courthouse. eyes wide as a man that once tried cases here as a prominent attorney awaits his fate in handcuffs. lester? >> catie beck, thank you. up next, the major change being recommended by the fda on the covid vaccine. >>> and where the new wave of severe weather could hit this week. but disrupti