as opposed to laura boebert. >> it is a maga caucus.t just these 20, it's the beginning of it. >> stop coughing. >> so emotional, look at you. >> talk amongst yourselves. >> it's the eve of january 6th, and morrow as they reconvene it will be the two year anniversary and we all looked at 2022 and said there was been a bit of a reset, the public is sick of gamesmanship and they want to move on and they recognize legitimate results of the election, and just juxtaposing that moment with some of the moments of earlier today, donald trump using truth social to troll with his photo in which he is the macho speaker -- things in some ways, the country came out of january 6th on a course correction. and then in some ways the course correction has not happened and. that still playing. out >> my earlier point, which actually gets this, 18 of those 20 are election deniers and even more than that there is a bunch on mccarthy side that our elections buyers. so again, to joe's point, baked into now the culture of this republican conference is that the

first of all, that clip is so great and fitting because sitting right behind kevin mccarthy's laura boebert the holdouts until the very end. you're right, kevin mccarthy absolutely made the calculation that he was going to need donald trump on this side, and donald trump endorsed him and for a while that did not work this week. but people who are loyal to donald trump, some of those final holdouts, did come across the line. i think when you look back at two years ago there is an effort to take the government by force, to take the capital by force, and what we saw this week was very different in terms of the exercise of democracy in a republic. at the same time, as you point out, those same members are looking for new ways to dismantle the basic functions of our government and when you can see in the concessions that kevin mccarthy has made these members, it is that it is going to be very difficult for them to get anything down that gets the country running. what i mean by that specifically is raising the debt ceiling this year, basically ensuring the credit of the united states, which is of

his own party has told him, no, that comes from congressman laura boebert, that we don't want you. a total of 11 times this week. this frankly is nothing like any of us have seen, at least in our lifetimes. we've heard about it, may have read about it, known that it could've happened, but this is the longest speaker contests in 164 years. i don't want to scare you all the way but back in 1855, the contest respeaker at that time, it went for 132 bouts. right now, we are in the small potato category law of this. but here we are tonight, 11 votes, and there is still not a speaker of the house, and this, frankly, all of this dysfunction, what is known as a dispersing display by capitol hill right now, the seemingly complete inability to get the job done or even be able to move past this particular hurdle and begin doing the jobs that many have come to actually do and were elected to do, well, maybe, is this a preview of what is going to come down the road? you have to wonder if congress will be able to get a lot done, if anything in the near future, if there can't be the cohesion to el

tim, laura boebert was here last night talking about what they're asking for. the kind of concessions they're asking for, and they are the type of things to help with the american people. one of the things that they're pushing for, ali sitting right there, is for leadership, basically for kevin mccarthy to agree that his pack will stop funding primary challengers of sitting congress people, that basically says if there is a crazy in office, we will not spend a time for a primary challenger to help push them out. how on earth does that help the american people? how does that touch a kitchen table she? >> i kind of wish lauren was back tonight, we could've talked about it on the panel. i love being on with simone, but maybe she could become a regular on the show, and we can hash this out together. look, here's the thing, they don't have legitimate policy objectives that they are trying to achieve here. i played the whole list, it's all inside baseball stuff, and it's all an element of power for the predawn party and crippling to house, so that the government can'

but tonight on hannity, yet a congressman congresswoman, laura boebert, who was questioned about that. being one of these holdouts. here's what she had to say. >> if by friday, you and your group of 20 don't have a name with 30 votes, is it time for you to withdraw and if not, why do you support a double standard, last question. >> kevin mccarthy does not have 218 votes, kevin mccarthy -- >> and you have 20. >> i asked you a very specific question -- >> listen, when you don't have 30 -- >> i will not, shawn. i will not withdraw. we are not petty, of kevin mccarthy, they were not self serving. we simply were asking for commitments on what the american people want to see. >> alex, she says the asks were not petty, but i do remember a letter to the capital calling mccarthy a squatter, not saying it's petty, it might be accurate. >> he was asking if it was a squatter. >> he was just asking. just asking questions. obviously, this is intensely personal for some of these members. you mentioned joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, i think we all remember very well months and months and months of d

you mention marjorie taylor greene and i think of laura boebert, matt gates, who were sitting together the whole time during this. then your, santos by, the way who should've next to matt gates and seemed to attach himself to this thing. this it is easy for some of us, i brought some of my, viewers to discount all four of these as anomalies and strange characters. except matt gates, for better or for, worse like him or, not controlled the agenda. you control the narrative until it ended, on saturday morning. >> in a, way he is the speaker. because usually you've got people who are members of the party and maybe crazy like, santos are moving on the fringe like gates, not in terms of ideology necessarily, which is wild behavior. but because sam -- or nancy pelosi, usually those people are pretty afraid of expressing themselves. , otherwise nancy pelosi would have the office from her only floyd woke. -- this will be too extreme. kevin mccarthy is a future who turns his back, because i do not fear the leader. >> i want to ask you about two references that kevin mccarthy made in that speech

we've even heard from laura boebert, who is one of those 5 staunch, never kevin's. >> that also sayse doesn't want states goes because she's part of his inner circle. she doesn't want anything that to do with. you know, kevin mccarthy or his his circle. >> but is for now. and again, that's the bargaining chip to continue getting even more at some point. mccarthy can't give away. more gives. it starts getting away coming. this committee chair, as for example, search jumping seniority. you're going to see revolt by his own members. and that's where i think the amount of negotiating the kids left in becoming much, much and if and that's something, if he can get the votes today by the end of today, john mccarthy is not speaker. i predict that they're going to move on because the there is going to be a republican house speaker that without a doubt. and but the business of the country does need at some point to move forward right now it's being held right? and you can't do anything about that. ok? thanks a lot. michael. 3 chat with you on monday to and then from a place where we have no, t

. >> a let's clarify a few things but yet just heard eli crane voting present at least we have laura boebertho maintain her volpi to be of any bench you changed his vote from jordan to present and now you have eli crane who changed his vote. this bodes very well for kevin m ccarthy, regardless of what matt gates does right now. we are looking for matt gates and good to change their vote. you believe he's going to vote in favor of kevin mccarthy. >> that's right. you are right. up at stays the same as the 14 th ballot, this is not if we had the exact same group of people voting, that is always the question what the magic number is. if it was the same as the last ballot, those three would mean kevin mccarthy is the next speaker of the house. this will finish one day after the anniversary of january 6. at it has been a long, long night, long long week but kevin mccarthy will it appears have him in tonight. the question is whether that means an easy road legislating. the answer is it is not going t become a just judging by this process. >> it is a fascinating, fascinating scenario. back to you i

districts, why don't vote on a package that hands over the power of their caucus to met gaetz and laura boebertarjorie taylor greene and the rest of them, give them outside power on the rules committee and probably gives them gavels that would otherwise go to lawmakers. i'm not sure what's in it for all these other republicans to go along with this. it's probably worth noting that this rule that would allow any one member of congress to call a snap election for speaker has not been passed it. so, again, maybe they're all going to get in line, if so, it will be a lesson through the entire party that only the far-right hold power, and that the moderates will always roll over, so there is no need to take their interest into account, but i still don't think it is 100 percent sewn up. >> kurt, put this week into context for us, how does mccarthy's fight fit into the story of the republican party over the last decade, something that you ever in about bill connect the dots for our viewers? >> we have seen over the last decade the steady erosion of what used to be the traditional republican establishme

boebert? >> present. >> present. [cheers and applause] >> laura: okay. that's the big one. uren boebert, who was thought to be someone who would not change her vote voted present meaning that's a big plus, of course, for kevin mccarthy. we'll continue to listen in. huge reaction on floor to that. >> mccarthy. bowman. >> jeffries. >> boyle of pennsylvania. >> hakeem jeffries. >> brooken. >> mccarthy. >> brown. >> jeffries. >> brownly. >> jeffries. >> buchanan. >> mccarthy. >> buck? buck? boushan. >> kevin mccarthy. >> ba sinski. >> jeffery's. >> burchett. >> mccarthy. >> burgess. >> mccarthy. >> burleson. >> mccarthy. >> bush. >> jeffries. >> calvert? >> mccarthy. >> cammock. >> mccarthy. >> careveo. >> jeffery's. >> carvehal. >> jeffery's. >> dennis. >> hakeem jeffries. >> carry. >> kevin mccarthy. >> carl. >> kevin mccarthy. >> carson. >> hakeem jeffries. >> carter of georgia. >> kevin mccarthy. >> carter of louisiana. >> hakeem jeffries. >> carter of texas? >> mccarthy. >> cartwright. >> jeffries. >> casar. >> hakeem jeffries. >> case. >> jeffries. >> cas ton. >> jeffries.

matt gaetz, laura boebert, going to meet with kevin mccarthy in the speakers offices there.es, the reports as of this morning are that he has yet to secure the votes needed. his biggest challenge this morning is andy biggs of arizona , announcing in opposition to kevin mccarthy, that he was running first acre. andy biggs spoke to steve bannon yesterday about what he's thinking going into the vote. [video clip] >> right now what he needs to do to try to close this before tomorrow at noon, saying take what you need, take her out of the house, i've got to be speaker. is that the sense of the negotiations right now? >> yeah he's the clintons leaving the white house, right? take the china. that's what i've seen happen. he's, he's, he's in total bargaining mode. and, and, we don't really know what's going to happen tomorrow. other than the first ballot, he's going to get it. that's where we sit as you and i talked. what happens after that? he may lose a whole bunch more. if it goes 3, 4, five ballots, he's done. host: andy biggs, yesterday, talking to steve bannon about that race.

. >> laura: stephen, do you think the republicans on the hill, i am about to interview matt gaetz and lauren boebertnutes, but will they be able to get to the bottom of this? along with all of these other scandals, we still don't know who is buying hunter biden's paintings were hundreds of thousands of dollars for that below art stuff he does. >> we just see more subpoenas coming out of the new republican house, and i am confident that we will then i've ever been issue before and all of the previous congress is combined. we need to find out every single classified documents that joe biden has and let the department of justice now go to court and suddenly decide you can enforce these subpoenas, they don't have the force of law, after arguing the exact opposite for two straight years. let them go after people's tax return. for democrat funders and democrat -- >> laura: are you saying there is a double standard for democrats and republicans? how could you think that? great to see both of you tonight, thank you so much. as i said, matt gaetz and lauren boebert next exclusively on the concession that fin

because, laura, this is just the beginning, -- some who are not at this, lauren boebert, listen to this. >> i think the american people, no matter how you vote are sick and tired of jama, and this is nothing which i'm. and we are on multiple days now with multiple candidates from this, so i'm not sure how lower in boebert on one hand can demand so much out of kevin work earthy, but then demand nothing out of someone else and be willing for them to be speaker. that is not serious. i don't think that is leadership. i really see it as more obstruction than progress. >> drama. >> i think that it would be a mistake to pick this somehow even after this, and even though they are on opposite ends of the mccarthy question for speaker, that they are somehow on different ends of ideological spectrum. because, lauren boebert, marjorie taylor greene, they are in the exact same part of the ideological spectrum within the republican party. and both election and i, is that both trump, staunch trump supporters. they are both people who have, you know, really shown no interest in necessarily basic or gov

laura. this is one political party's incompetence and dysfunction. this is what's going to play out for two years. we forget we're talking about lauren boebertt gaetz and 20 hard liners, but the minute we have a speaker margery taylor greene, jim jordan, the extremists in that caucus are way more than 20. so when it comes to things like the debt limit and funding the government it's going to be a lot more than 20. this is megarepublican conference. >> here's what i think is so interesting and very rosy talk from kevin mccarthy and his allies. one of the things we've heard from them over the last few days even tonight mccarthy was saying is this is going to be the hard -- we're going to work this out now in this speaker vote and getting these rules adopted and then everyone will have learned how to work together in the conference with what it means to be together with a five-vote majority. and it'll make all the stuff that joe and laura are talking about, it'll be do-able because we would have -- that seems to me to be unbelievably like rose-colored glasses. >> yesterday from the congressman this is just messy to now it's a good thing. but i

laura, crystallizes where my former party is. marjorie taylor greene is not republican fringe. we were talking about it before. we focus so much on greene and gosar and boebert, as we should, because they're crazy, but kevin mccarthy has an entire caucus of election deniers. marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar are election deniers and they're on the oversight committee, and that's horrible. but good luck trying to find some republican to put on that committee who is not an election denier. that's really mccarthy's problem. >> and there is all this discourse now about the great transformation of congresswoman greene. and i'm sorry, i don't really see it as such. i see it as the transformation of the republican party and what republicans sort of view as acceptable. >> but it's also -- let's just take a step back. kevin mccarthy put the national security of the united states of america on the table as a chip to be bargained with, bartered with for his speakership. that's what he did. because the homeland security committee also does election security. and she is an eleection denier. marjorie taylor greene has also said there is a jewish cabal that has their o