thank you. >> vice-president carter oberstone? ssioner max carter-oberstone: thank you, president elias, just two responses. the president of the poa attended all the working groups and she made many comments and participated actively in conversations and those are memorialized in the minutes. the poa's recommendations for specific recommendations for how to change the dgo are also memorialized on the website. if you are curious about the view, there is memorialized in the situation. i appreciate commissioner byrne's maybe newfound view that we should wait to not have to red line anything live. it was just last meeting that commissioner byrne suggested that we red line dgo and that would have violated the establishment clause. this is something that this commission has routinely done and is appropriate here. finally while i appreciate the chief's comments i don't think the commission has the power to change the dgo. this could have done with the major version. i'm hopeful that we can agree on this but it is not appropriate to delay

i will turn it over to commissioner carter oberstone. >> commissioner max carter-oberstone: thank you for being here and appreciate your story. it's an incredible result and crime went down and employee relations improved and less dangerous moving violations which were a threat to the roadway. what i wanted to ask is you said prior to your implementing the policy, your department was conducting a lot of searches, incidents to traffic stops, and you had low yield rate on those searches. i'm just curious, once you started searching fewer cars, can you give some examples that your department used to get guns off the street and in order to apprehend individuals engaged in crimes? >> we did this thing called, we returned the criminal investigation. essentially what i told my folks as we started this was i wanted them, if they wanted to fish on their off duty time, don't fish on duty. as they asked that question, how are we supposed to get the bad guys off the street? my response was let's be smarter than they are. they clearly know we are not stopping the right cars and getting the drugs a

. >> thank you, vice-president carter oberstone. i'm going to turn it to my chief for questions and comments for you before i ask mine. i think commissioner carter oberstone took most of my questions. >> thank you, i will put my name in the request. thank you for this presentation. actually we know some of the same people that you worked with in fayeteville. they speak very highly of you. thank you for doing this. >> thank you. >> absolutely. >> i do have a couple of questions. i actually have read a lot about what you and your department were doing in fayeteville. your past and my past are somewhat similar that we both went to new departments and my understanding when you were in the midst of making a lot of changes, you created a reform initiative which is what we are in as well. one of my questions is this: we have done a lot of research about your work, and definitely we appreciate your talent and your successes as well, but as far as the collaborative reform initiative that you brought in to fayeteville, how did that work with t

vice president carter oberstone, there is no public comment. >> next iletm. >> item 9,. if you like to make public comment approach the podium or press star 3. there is no public comment. line item 10, vote on whether to hold item 11 in closed session including vote whether to assert the attorney client privilege with regard to 11a san francisco administrative code 67.10. action. >> can i get a motion? >> so moved. >> second. >> on the motion- [roll call] you have 6 yeses. we will go into [meeting reconvened] >> we are back in open session. item 12, vote to elect whether to disclose discussion held in closed session. action. >> can i get a motion ? >> i want to be recognized. thank you. on october 12 of 2022 this commission did something very notable and positive for transparency around negotiations with the police officer association and our continued progress repolice reform erfts and voted tonanimously to disclose regarding use of force that the commission determined fell outside of the bounds of strictly working conditions and therefore entitled to be seen by the pub

be good to see what those cities are doing specifically to see if we can learn from them. >> carter-oberstone? >> i checked this with vice president carter and i he gave me an opportunity to ask an additional question, are we capturing a justification for why those are not being cited currently? >> >> in the cat system if you give somebody a warning, i think you need harder ways to collect and report on this data that is more accurate examine more reliable. >> to be able to create parameters for that, so i thought that's an interesting plan and something we should look further into. thank you. >> if i may add. the department does have is year make and model of vehicles because of privacy concerns. you can frack behavior and outcome based on that, it's not a perfect proxy it exist but it's not perfect, it's very rich people drive very bad cars. but it is data that could be used. ?ment thank you for your comments. black people are stopped disproportionately but stops are not in neighborhood that have disproportionately back residents. one thing that we hear sometimes is that racial disparities