to go to ullifetime full of themselves are no need whatsoever to go to ullifetime full of debt selveso ullifetime full of debt we res a lifetime full of debt we stigmatise practical trades and creativity. too long creativity. i think for too long did away and it looks like we're doing that that sounds doing it again. that that sounds right only thing right to me. the only thing would that it seems like would say is that it seems like he's saying have to do an he's not saying have to do an a—level, could a a—level, but you could do a technical course in maths. but that's to your point. why not encourage people these the encourage people to do these the equivalent a technical equivalent of a technical course? it's something like course? but it's something like fixing absolutely. fixing cars. absolutely. that would really would sort of be be really practical that let practical in that way and let people come to the maths later and also this, you know, this idea these jobs need idea that all these jobs need maths. of but we're maths. yes, of course. but we're also, know, everybody also, y