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they had a conflict with vieam so that is a long time of china's peaceful rise now they free militarize and invested billions and billions in recent yearsey but they haven't resortd to the use of force that is an important part of the playbook and unfortunately for ukraine and europe and the united states, there are not examples of putin sitting down at the negotiating table and coming to a long-term resolution of any of these conflicts. >> host: there's so much i want to talk about with vladimir putin's time in germany and the connection to boris yeltsin. how much of that made up who he is today and how much can you draw the reader lying around that experience and what he is today? >> guest: it's important to remember the kgb that is something that we often sort of paper over but that is his roots. so he wanted a child to join the kgb. it was like watching the old g-man of the united states and he offed himself the kgb without accepting. you don't come to us we come to you. eventually they did become an officer or any us to germany and it's this moment when the collapse of the old sovi