have been in a state of being almost delusional and not really necessarily unlike the case of andrea yates some 21 years ago who also suffered from postpartum depression, but it was so severe, it was so debilitating that it was really at the psychotic level. so i think we need to hear just how bad this depression really was for her. >> one of the things you said was that in her mind she may not think what she did was wrong. that's hard, i think, for a lot of people to wrap their heads around, but explain what you mean there. >> well, part of it may also include that she may have had if it was as the andrea yates case she may have believed that in order to save her children, some religious belief, for example, she needed to kill them. which, of course, your viewers cannot even fathom because it is unfathomable, but depending on the state of her mental illness she may have believed that because of this postpartum depression that is so severe. and as part of that she wanted to die with them. so again it becomes really important to understand did she see this as a way to save her children from

. >> part of it may also include that she may have had, if it was as severe as the andrea yates case, religious belief, for example, she needed to kill them. which of course, your viewers cannot even fathom, because it is unfathomable. but depending on the state of her mental illness, she may have believed that because of this postpartum depression that is so severe. and is part of that she wants to die with them. so again it becomes important to understand, did she see this as a way to save her children from something that she believed was possibly worse for them? >> what can you make of the father's reaction? it's impossible to know what's going on in his head, but asking their public for forgiveness for his wife. >> i know we expect to have heard him say that he hated his wife, he doesn't even know what to say, this is a catastrophic event for this family, and specifically for him. but here's the issue. we don't know how the father typically handles grief and being upset. so in a case like this we would have to go back and see how we handle loss and grief and terrible events in his