bill barr is saying that the tip was not directly about trump.y. and was part of, it was folded into germs inquiry because it did have a relationship to the russian gate stuff. it was not completely separate. therefore, it should've been in durham's purview, according to barr. and this is according to bill barr, turned out to be a complete non-issue. are you satisfied with that? are we going to hear more from john durham about what exactly this tip was and what exactly this investigation is? >> we better. bill barr should not be talking about it. he is not the special counsel. it's an independent special counsel. he should not be talking about it, any of this, he's not the attorney general. so, we better hear from john durham and his report, everything about that tip. and i certainly hope that we will get more information about that. you know, bill barr is continuing on his reputation laundering campaign, where he claimed that it doesn't hold water that there was a finn rationale for opening this investigation. he's right, it doesn't hold water.

bill barr saying the tip was not directly about trump.e from the story, and it was folded into dureroom's inquiry because it did have a relationship to the russia gate stuff. it was not completely separate so therefore should be in durham's purview according to barr and turned out to be a complete nonissue. are you satisfied with that? are we going to hear from john durham about what exactly this tip was and this investigation is? >> we better. bill barr should not be talking about it. he's not independent special counsel. we better hear from john durham in his report everything about that tip. and i certainly hope we will get more information about that. you know, bill barr is continuing on his reputation laundering campaign where he claimed that it would -- it doesn't hold water that there was a thin rationale for opening this investigation. he's right, it doesn't hold water. there was no reason for it. the inspector general did an investigation of this exact topic and yet bill barr and john durham tried to convince the independent insp

that's not bill barr's sin.ill barr's sins are so many and so varied, whether it is intervening in the roger stone case, whether it's intervening in the michael flynn case, situations where people were -- many, many other defendants were facing the same situation, but he interfered and help them in their case because they were friends of the president's. in ways that were completely legally antithetical to the position of the department. that is a fundamental assault on the rule of law. with respect to just the durham investigation itself, remember, the inspector general had done an investigation, a long one, into the very issue of whether the fbi was justified in opening its investigation, and they found that there was nothing wrong whatsoever. they had issued, by the way, in terms of the fbi, how it handled the investigation. but in terms of the predicate, the factual predicate for opening the investigation, it was ample, and the inspector general had already determined that. so bill barr just didn't like the

if ivanka trump's testimonies used, and bill barr, and he has the claims they were bogus, and ivankamp did you see that way, and the result is that can be made or any guesses as to whether not bill barr has asked to come before the grand jury or has happened already? >> i would suspect if it hasn't happened, it's going to happen. some of this will depend on what jack smith's view is of how thorough the questioning was of bill barr by the january 6 committee, the more you think they did a thorough job and you don't have other questions, the less you might find the need to do that but in general, i had to say in my experience there are always other questions and things that you want to lockdown because you're doing the investigation for different purpose. you are thinking, how will this play in a criminal trial? i would have the assumption that if bill barr has not received a grand jury subpoena to testify, that he will. >> one more weird question because of your comment about mar-a-lago, you think anyone has asked jared kushner if he wittingly or unwittingly took home classified docum

bill barr, spoke to the l.a. times last night to defend his handling of john terms investigation. in an attempt to pre spend the eventual report's findings. and regarding that previously undisclosed criminal investigation involving trump. barr said quote, it turned out to be a complete non-issue. really? what happened there? already members of congress are demanding answers, will merrick garland tell the american public. will he release the durham report in full, or in part. joining us now is charlie savage, washington court house manu for the new york times. and the lead byline on this incredible piece of reporting in the times. charlie, thanks for being. here we've been eager to talk to you since this -- first published. and now we have a fair amount of pushback from the former a.g., bill barr, the subject of this investigation. what is your initial reaction to his affective rebuttals and his overall sense that there is no there there are, in terms of the pressing questions you raised in the piece? >> my first reaction was, oh, he confirms that there is an investigation involving

g., bill barr, the subject of this investigation. what is your initial reaction to his affective rebuttals and his overall sense that there is no there there are, in terms of the pressing questions you raised in the piece? >> my first reaction was, oh, he confirms that there is an investigation involving trump, that durham handled. it's interesting, we don't have anybody on the record conforming that before. that was nice of. we still don't, maybe he's right that i went nowhere. we don't know. we just don't know what that thing was. we don't know what steps durham took. we don't know what he found out. we don't know why he chose to bring no charges, perhaps it was as bill barr says, there was no there there. it's extraordinary it happened at. all that no one knew about. it and when it linked with durham's administrate of review involved to encompassing a criminal investigation, everyone thought that meant he'd found evidence of a crime by the people who'd investigated trump and russia. and the justice department let that miss impress

nobody has weaponized doj like bill barr. he was dishonest.ice for nakedly political purposes, not least of which was throwing michael back in jail for not basically agreeing to be silent on his book. i think it was an outrage and i give michael credit. he's been through a lot, and you want to talk weaponization, get bill barr up there. >> one of the things i want to insure is that this never happens to another american ever again. and i will continue to fight every single day. i will continue to make my voice heard, because i have that platform. so i will use it in order to insure that people like donald trump, people like bill barr, and the donald trump 2.0s that want to come next time and do the same to people like yourself, you're probably on donald's enemies list. probably you, too, elie. anybody who says something negative will be on his enemies list. i don't want to see this ever happen to anyone ever again. >> yeah. well thank you both for being here. it's a frightening story about power being used against individual americans is the m

"new york times" investigation found that bill barr and mr.heir inquiry had expanded to include a criminal probe into possible financial crimes by ex-president donald j. trump. that they used memos that were suspected of containing disinformation to get access to an individual's e-mails. and that not one but two prosecutors on durham's team quit. they felt compelled to resign over ethical disputes. congressman goldman and lieu say that the allegations in the "times" reporting if true, "show barr and durham misled the american people, abused their prosecutorial powers, and corrupted the department of justice to pursue a false political narrative. they may have violated the law, department of justice regulations, and legal ethics in doing so." they also address how barr and durham responded to the doj inspector general, that's mr. horowitz, his own findings. mr. horowitz released his own report. he did his own investigation on the doj russia investigation in 2019. now, the lawmakers write this. "in support of their cause durham also apparently t

bill barr spoke to the l.a. times last night to defend his handseling of john durham's investigation into an attempt to pre-spin the ventual report's findings. and regarding that previously undisclosed criminal investigation involving trump, barr said, quote, it turned out toit be a complete nonissue. really? what happened there? already members of congress are demanding c answers. will merrick garland tell the american public? will he release the durham report in full or in part? joining us now is charlie savidge, washington correspondent for "the new york times" and the lead byline on this incredible piece of reporting. what is your initial reaction to his effective rebuttals, his overall sense that there's no there there enterms of some of the very pressing questions that you raised in the piece? >> well, my first reaction was, oh, wow, he confirmed there was an investigation involving trump that durham handled, so that's interesting. we didn't have knanyone on the record confirming that before so that was nic

all while trump attorney bill barr continued to push misleading narratives of his progress. power to rein in what they called and weaponization of the justice department. well, i think i know one place where they could start. let's bring back our saturday night panel, errin, i'll start with you at this one. democrats are the minority in the house. they cannot convene an oversight investigation into this, however, they do have control in the senate. on monday, chairman of the judiciary committee, said he would hold oversight hearings into durham's inquiries and other aspects of how the trump administration handled and used the justice department. how do you expect this to play this out? you think the democrats will be as nasty as republicans are when it comes to these types of investigations? >> ayman, i can't speak for what the tone will be but if durham was not found of wrongdoing as related to the russia probe, what was he doing? that's what dick durbin wants to know and so those are some of the questions that maybe asked on the senate side. to your point, the years long i

and in italy, italian authorities, evidently, said to bill barr, look, we have new evidence that donald trump has committed other crimes. it looks like money laundering but we are not sure exactly what. what did barr do? he gave that to john durham as well. that is not an independent investigation. that is what i think merrick garland needs to look into. and it's particularly so now because there is investigation after investigation going on in washington. there is a right way to do things and a wrong way. i think garland did the right thing when it came to biden and the classified documents that he had. but garland appointed a republican, trump u. s. attorney, robert hur, to investigate that. that is the way to promote confidence, not to have someone like barr basically get one of his drinking buddies to investigate, -- investigate -- and then basically clear trump of charges which barr has done before. >> scotch sipping sessions, not a good practice. daniella diaz, i'm definitely not letting you guys go, we have to at least talk about the chinese spy balloon, and other objects that ar

bill barr stuck his big thumb on the scales of justice and people quit.rs, he likened them to preschoolers, and that was politicization in our face. and so, we could reject it, we could study it, but i wonder if this paralysis, which is what it looks like from the outside, i mean, you mentioned donald trump, the people in suits include mark meadows. cassidy hutchinson offered pages of evidence of his role in this. rudy giuliani, the pillow guy, the overstock guy, scott perry. i mean, none of the suits, as far as we know, are targets of a criminal investigation into a deadly insurrection at the united states capitol more than two years ago. >> i think you can say that this feels like a political act, because we are forever hearing from attorney general garland and deputy attorney general monaco, that we will follow the facts and follow the law wherever they lead, but nicolle, what doj has never answered to anybody's satisfaction, what happens when the facts show crimes were committed by the higher ups, the donald trumps, the jeffrey clarks, the giulianis a

. >> there's been a new "new york times" story about the politicization of the doj and about how bill barre sessions together. they jetted off to italy where italian authorities warned them of criminal wrong doing and barr instead of doing what a normal attorney general would have done, gave that very investigation to john durham, who was supposed to be investigating something totally separate. so there's a the lot we don't know. there are mechanisms to deal with this including the inspector general review. i hope and i suspect that's happening now. but i think john durham as special counsel is to be supervised by the attorney general, who is merrick garland. garland under the special counsel regulations has the power to discipline and fire john durham and before doing that, he should hear from durham about what he actually did and what happened. garland has the power to demand a special report about what durham was doing. he has to wru a report and explain himself. if he can't, he should be disciplined and/or fired. that's the way this should be handled. i sure hope that's what garland do

and i'll give anyone pause who nods along with the bill barr reputation rehabilitation tour.man jamie raskin saying. >> god bless jamie raskin, but he's not the only one. he's definitely the most eloquent and vocal but it started with hakeem jeffries and congressman steve cohen and jamie raskin doing this. god bles them all. >> it's about the actual politicization of doj, which is what donald is deflecting and saying, hey, it's the biden administration weaponizing the justice department against him, once again playing the victim. >> to pick up on what barbara mcquade just talked about we understand when i read jeffrey berman's book there are two episodes of contacts slash interference from doj he writes about. one is the case themselves involving trump. two is the sentencing memo and i believe those through his deputy. what is true and apparent now is that even if they were governed by the aoc memo, why hasn't the office done anything? >> jeffrey berman is one stupid human being, and i say that not respectfully either, he's really stupid. who goes ahead -- he puts it in a boo

they have shown at the present trump presidency bill barr's justice department that they really really want to do it and are willing to do it. >> ruth, i want to expand a little bit barr on his point about the followers. during his campaign launch, his supporters cheered when trump said anyone caught dealing drugs should receive the death penalty for dealing drugs. what is it that draws people to this inhumane rhetoric from would-be autocrats? what is it that excites them to see some one guaranteed and, in from a firing squad for dealing drugs? >> autocrats, they give people permission to cheer cruelty. they get people permission to hate. donald trump from 2015 on, he used his rallies as radicalization sites where he tried to change the value that people gave to violence. over and over again, it's now, if you count from 2015, it's like five years where he told people that violence could be positive and often necessary. even patriotic. and, so having ahead a state like that who also is praising neo-nazis, who's praising autocrats in 2020 he said that the chinese justice system was so go

if congress wants to look into weaponization of doj, i would suggest they start with the bill barr. bill barr completely politicized doj and i think this is an example of almost defensive. where steps were taken to take evidence and information out of court documents in order to protect a political person, in this case, donald trump. so i don't expect this particular committee to go down that road. but i think if they want to look anywhere, they should start there. >> it sounds like utilizization. >> check out this very important book. untouchable, how powerful people get away with it. i have a feeling it will have a lot of people talking. thanks so much. >>> in the mean time, the canadian prime minister justin trudeau said a fighter jet has shot down a anything object flying over canada. we've been tracking this story in the last hour or so and we'll continue to attract in the cnn newsroom. obster and shrimp tacos for $17.99. and leave completely lobsessed. welcome toto fun dining. ubrelvy helps u fight migraine attacks. u put it all on the line. u do it all. so u bring ubrelvy. it

it's now my ex-wife by the way not that this is our last question ambassador earlier year bill barr spoke to us in a very similar setting listening to you closely tonight, i see many similarities about bright people to help their country and go it bill barr yourself many others what it about donald trump that drove so many of you to leave and is there anyone who would be able to tell him to back if the republican party needed to unite to confront 2024. well your second question first. i hope there is because frankly again, my own view, i supported him, as i said, up january six. i'm not angry with him. i have no amnesty toward him. i wish he had been successful, but i don't believe he can govern if he's elected in 24. i believe will be so saddled with investigations, potential calls for further his family. what i want to see, i think what most republicans want to see is they liked his policies. his policies barely had a chance to take hold. and if you really look at the country at the end of 2019, october, november of 19, the country, whether you're a democrat or republican, was much head

bill barr wrote that as a way to try to avoid the consequence of the mueller report, which found ten instances of trump committing crimes. the lawyer said we cannot do anything about it, we cannot indict two because you are a sitting president. now that trump is out of office and running for reelection, you cannot indict me now because i am a candidate. presumably, if trump were to win, he would say again that you cannot indict me because i am a sitting president. this is so intention with what lawyers all know, which is the essence of the american system that no person is above the law. that comes from thomas payne, work common sense, it is essential to our legal system. >> neal, unfortunately for you, i know you just got back from san francisco but i am hitting you with more questions. let's talk about fani willis, parts of this grand jury report could be coming up on thursday. what exactly are we looking for? i need to be honest, at this point it is like we just need to know, is someone getting charged or not? it is like, are we going to get more insight, more information? let's d

served in his administration and then released books and have turned on him, former attorney general bill barrmike pompeo is another. he really doesn't like it when people he thinks he built up and gave a platform try to take him on. at the same time, i think he is not too concerned about her when it comes to 2024, i think he has his mind on florida governor ron desantis and some other potential big challenges. thank you very much for your time. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: love during wartime — the ukrainian soldiers tying the knot on valentine's day. nine years and 15,000 deaths after going into afghanistan, the last soviet troops were finally coming home. the withdrawal completed in good order but the army defeated in the task it was sent to perform. malcolm has been murdered. that has a terrible effect on the morale of the people. i'm terrified of the reprecussions in the streets. one wonders who is next. explosions. as the airlift got under way, there was no let—up in the erruption itself. lava streams from a vent low in the crater flow down to the sea to the east of the islan

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therefore, bill barr put the pressure on durham as well. john durham did have a strong reputation. raises some serious questions about whether or not new of this misconduct might have risen to the level of criminal activity or needs to be investigated by doj. it's very unfortunate it's taken up so much time and money when it's clear that this was a witch hunt trying to disprove the assessment that was done by the community that russia was interfering in the 2016 presidential election on behalf of donald trump. so it's very unfortunate. his deputy, a strong individual with great integrity, i do think there's some serious questions that feed to be asked. about why she left. i do think from my understanding that there really was some very great misgivings about some of the practices and pursuits that john durham was during the course of this investigation. >> i will never understand is how the people who say thaw care about the institution don't come out and police themselves. where are all of the conservative lifelong doj loyalists to the institution? to demand accountability, why do

this is outrage ours bill barr said, there is no pandemic excepttion to the constitution.n look a lot of people that made a high price for what the teachers union add voy kataadda advocated. as michael points out they don't represent the teacher themselves, some don't walk in lockstep with the union. elizabeth: you have been all over this. this was an emergency use vaccine. fda advisers were worried about it they are now red flagging with signals of side affects. but michael caine, when you hear all this, and you heard that teacher and firefighter, what is your reaction? >> i know rangal and brendan well. we have been fighting this for over a year now. i could not agree with you more. randi weingarten is more concerned about what joe biden thinks about her than what maybe think ma membership thinks about her they don't care with vaccine is best thing, it forced me to least union. i lost my job. but stay abreast at teachers for choice, we're still in court, the battle continues, i'm convinced we'll be victorious. i don't know when but i am convinced our day will come. eliza

not part of a russian disinformation campaign, based base conversation with 10 attorney general bill barr and christopher wray who had hunter biden a laptop and knew it was real, those are pretty important witnesses that any investigation would have to get over. i don't think that perry mason could help hunter biden on this one. trey: speaking of perry mason, you have the head of the national intelligence and head of fbi saying it was not russian disinformation but adam schiff saying it may be. become ta your old days on -- back to your old dayses on house judiciary committee, they are asking for information about a memo promulgated by merrick lar land g garland that some people read to be a -- parents. why would they want that information. >> you are giving me credit. we were together in july of 2016 when hillary clinton gave testimony, and three days later who jim comey declined to prosecute hillary clinton, based on that testimony, you and i pressed for the origins of when the decision of made, we learned this jim comey had written a memo clearing hillary clinton two months before he a

there were sort of snl moments in the hearing where that tape was played of ivanka basically saying bill barr was right, there was no fraud in the 2020 election. but beyond that their testimony didn't make that much -- that was significant but it wasn't like a cassidy hutchinson moment. do we have any idea why trump sort of gave into his family members testifying given the fact meadows and pence didn't get near the committee? >> it's sort of the mysteries of the post-trump era where jared and ivanka stand in trump's world and why it was that they did testify. and are they trying to put distance between themselves and the former president or are they not? there was this full back and forth about these reports that they weren't going to be part of the campaign and trump came out and put a statement out, so it's not clear really where they stand and how much loyalty they still have to the former president and how that could manifest or may have manifest itself in some of -- in these different things. to your point i don't think that they're that great of witnesses if you're trying to get to char

an investigation was opened under trump-appointed bill barr and continued for two years, looking into the congressman violated the law by paying for sex, including with one woman who was under age 18 at the time. gaetz has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. this week prosecutors informed witnesses of their decision. that prompted a lot of questions about why this case was not moving forward. so with me now is tim jansen, an attorney for one of the key witnesses in this case. tim, thank you so much for being with me. i think you're the perfect person to help explain to people what exactly happened here. my first question to you is, how do you and your client become involved in this investigation? >> well, good afternoon, paula. yeah, my client got involved when the fbi grabbed her phone on her way to work one day at the capitol at the department of education, took her phone with a subpoena, didn't really tell her anything. so she was told the fbi has your phone and she knew nothing at that point. >> at the beginning of this investigation, your client was being looked at as possibly some

. >> in terms of the narrative, it brings me back to what bill barr did to the mueller report.wo equals five, that is what bob mueller said. and then everybody runs with it, that is the story for three days. and then the actual report comes out. everyone is like, oh no. bob mueller said the exact opposite, two plus two equals four, he told us the truth? governor dean, let me give you the last word here. and more seriously, in terms of, i mean, snl was prank-ing on donald trump and his visit east palestine, and the rail derailment there. do you think that the administration, the current, biden administration, is doing everything that it can to rectify the very serious problems there? >> sure they are, of course they are. biden was out of the country, doing something that will save democracy around the world, for success in ukraine. this is what's amazing the most about republicans. here are these anti communists, whose motto was if we don't fight them over there, we will have to fight them here. they are all caving into vladimir putin, a trait trump exhibited as well, these peop

charges remember, this investigation started in late 2020 when donald trump was president and bill barr was attorney general. that's when matt gaetz had his phone seized in a probe regarding matt greenberg. stalking, attempting to spread false information about a political opponent. investigation led to charges and guilty pleas to six federal crimes including underage sex trafficking. greenberg also agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. it was greenberg and his case that led to scrutiny of gaetz and an investigation into other supposed relationship between now gaetz and a 17 year old girl violated sex trafficking laws. it's not totally clear what the relationship between gaetz and greenberg was and roger stone, that greenberg posted to twitter in 2017. in one particularly bizarre episode reported by the orlando sentinel, gaetz and greenberg were responded in the seminole county tax office in an area where expired rivals license were kept. gaetz the city was there because he lost his wallet and wanted a replacement i. d.. he's repeatedly denied involvement. last year washington post repo

>> i think bill barr, the former attorney general referred to this as extortion last year, the way trumps his party. i think that's essentially what you're seeing. he's suggesting he will take the bull and go home with his third of the republican party that will be with him no matter what polls show if he is not the nominee and they could stay home or he could run a third-party candidacy. it's a challenge for republicans. >> certainly is. maggie haberman, thank you very much. >>> coming up, we'll have more on our top story. what exactly is a spy balloon? just how severe of a threat does it really pose to the united states? gronk speaking. [cell phone ringing] gronky baby, how does a fanduel super bowl commercial sound? great, what do i got to do? kick a field goal during the super bowl. what?! get up to $3,000 back if you don't win your first bet. fanduel, america's number one sportsbook. what's the next chapter? that's the real question. with fidelity income planning, a dedicated advisor can help you grow and protect your wealth, even when you're not working. they'll look at your full f

committee said that she disagreed with her father and agreed with the statement by attorney general bill barrelection fraud in 2020. here is this clip from her house deposition. >> how did that effect your perspective about the election when attorney general barr made that statement? >> it effected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. so, i accepted what he said -- was saying. >> reporter: now with that, though, even though she was forthcoming at least to that question, the house later on said that they had concerns she wasn't entirely frank with them or forthcoming. they asked her some specific questions about conversations between donald trump and mike pence, the vice president, on joim ever january 6, including one whether he insulted pence as he was trying to put pressure on him. and she responded to the house that, no, she didn't have an answer, she didn't recall what was said there. wolf. >> thank you very much for that report. >>> let's get some analysis right now from defense attorney shan wu and legal analyst jennifer rodgers and abby phillip. abby, what sort of informati

6th and clips from ivanka's interview were played during the hearings including her reaction to bill barr. >> how did that affect your perspective when attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affects my perspective. i respect attorney general barr so i accepted what he was saying. >> this news comes after we learned that the special counsel subpoenaed former vice president mike pence and former chief of staff, mark meadows. this suggests the investigation is entering a later phase. >> are they going to cooperate you think? >> it's likely. they seem to be making an effort to rehabilitate their reputations and they don't want to be lumped if with the steve bannons of the world. >> we'll see and keep reporting it out. but it's likely they will not completely ignore or try to not cooperate here. >> thank you. >>> so sixth graders accused of making racist drawings and giving them to black students. why the parents are frustrated with the school's response. >>> we go to ukraine as the russian invasion enters its second bloody year. i have sleep apnea. couldn't use cpap. now i have this

there was an order from donald trump and then bill barr to focus on leftist groups like antifa.reau they were not the biggest threat to the home land. quote, this decision by the fbi was an exercise in false equivalent len si. noticing the lethal threats posed by far right violent extremist in recent years far outpace the threats from the left. officials at the fbi and doj have said white supremacist extremists were the top domestic terrorist threat. a deep look at the fbi failures when it came to january 6th is where we begin this hour. joining us one of the journalists on that reporting we read from, adam goldman is here. also joining us asha rengapa, assistant deal at yale jackson school and neil katia is back. adam, it is an unbelievable piece of reporting. it comes as tim is out doing public speaking and interviews about some of the questions they posed and started to answer. but your report fills in a lot of blanks on what went wrong at the fbi. explain. >> you know, i was there at the capitol on january 6th and i cover the fbi and the past couple of years i, myself as a r

the potential possible cover up reported by the "new york times" last month by former attorney bill barr'sstigators. that at one point turned into an unrelated internal investigation of potential crimes committed by donald trump. joining the table is democratic congressman from new york dan goldman, member of the house select subcommittee on weaponization and the over sight committee and mike and joyce are still here. tell me what you're getting at with jordan. >> well they talk about how they've have dozens of whistleblower come and talk to them. >> dozens and dozens. >> that is what he said. they wrote a minority report premised on some of the interviews last congress. so, what i was getting at, is if you are having private interviews with whistleblowers, either you have notes from those interviews that you should provide to the minority so we're prepared per the regulations and customs of congress that i had to abide with when i was leading the impeachment investigation. or if you have no notes, how you could write a report on what the whistleblowers say? from memory? of course not. so

did you agree with bill barr? i said it was all b.s. he's surrounded by people who not only know the truth, but told him the truth and there were more than a handful that know that he knows the truth. there is mark milley, mark meadows per the story of cassidy hutchinson where he said i don't want anyone to know we lost. which i can't begin to unpack. there are all of these indications not only that he was told by everybody, but that he understood he lost and he was leaving. >> i think there is plenty of evidence that is available now and that would be available with the tools that the federal government has to compel testimony that donald trump knew what he was doing, that he committing a fraud. he knew he was committing a fraud but he thought he would get away with it. the question i want answered, i get it that there was a fight going on between the j6 committee and doj about the availability of transcripts but they knew pence would never respond to a congressional subpoena and mark meadows would never response to a congressional sub

this case i believe was opened under bill barr, continued for two years under merrick garland.ceipts of the transactions and the testimony of joel greenberg was deemed credible, not just by doj but by this judge that resulted in a significantly shorter sentence. and the facts haven't -- other than matt gaetz's denial, which is only, a lot of the paper document corroborations seem indisputable? >> yeah, all true, and by the way, this woman, the ex-girlfriend, was sort of the purveyor of the victim as it were. but, yeah, all kinds of documents. it doesn't seem much doubt that it happened, and moreover, under federal law it's weird, but it was basically strict liability. if the victim was 17 at the time, he was guilty of sex trafficking under federal law. if she wasn't, he was guilty of basically nothing under federal law. we don't know about state law. so the fact that they were worried, as dave says, about the credibility of him and joel greenberg who was crowing before, basically making it seems like he was bringing gaetz down just says volumes because it was less about whether

trump and his obliging sycophantic attorney general like jeff sessions and bill barr pressured careergo hard or go soft on particular cases. always seeking to reward trump 's friends, or to punish the enemies. if weaponization of the department of justice has any meaning, this is it. >> so, that's the state of play here. and if this is how it all starts, where does it go from here? joining us now is mckay coppins, staff writer at the atlantic, and author of the upcoming book, romney, a reckoning. -- very shortly. mckay, thanks for joining me tonight. i want to get right to the numbers here. we have talked a lot about these strange rabbit hole of paranoia that certain factions of the gop have plunged into. but the american public does not seem to be buying, it if you look at the polling. washington post abc poll finds that a margin of 56 to 36% of americans think the committee is just an attempt to score political points, and only 11% of respondents believe that government agencies are biased against liberals. what do you think is the pure political calculation of having this weaponiza

so it nattered when the committee asked trump's opinion of attorney general bill barr's statement which was made on december 1 of 2020 that there wasn no widespread fraud in th election. it mattered this was how the president's daughter responded. >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he was saying. >> the h former president's daughter testified that more than a month before january 6th she knew the election had not been stolen. ivanka trump is also a key witness to the events on january 6th itself. not only did she accompany her father backstage at the rally at the ellipse where president trump encouraged his followers to march to the capitol and fight like hell, but ivanka trump was also with president trump ins the oval office in t white house dining room during some of the key 187 minutes that day, the minutes between when the attack started and when trump finally urged his supporters to go home. as the january 6th committee wrote in its final report, ivanka trump repeatedly returned to the dining room to counsel her father throughout the

and they asked her specifically about former attorney general bill barr's testimony that there was zeroll those very lies. and here's what she said about that. >> how did that affect your perspective about the election when attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. so, i accepted what he was saying. >> meanwhile in the state of georgia, fulton county da fani willis has said a decision on charges in her trump investigation or imminent. but recent interviews by the special counsel grand jury foreperson, the ones you saw all last night and all of the airwaves today, they could complicate things. cbs reports that some possible republican targets of the investigation are already preparing to challenge any future indictments, arguing that foreperson's public comments have tainted the entire investigation. that reporting is based on two people familiar with the discussions. the special grand jury of course can only make recommendations. fani willis herself will decide what charges to bring before a regular grand jury. with that,

not surprisingly, trump is pulling a bill barr, trying to spin today's partial release as total exoneration. his campaign released a statement, quote, a long awaited important sections of the georgia report which do not even mention president trump's name, have nothing to do with the president because president trump did absolutely nothing wrong, unquote. his lawyers have also claimed that trump never receiving a subpoena is further proof that he's in the clear. now, we should point out that the substantive portions of the grand jury report are still sealed, and typically, when someone is not asked to come in, it could very well be because that person might be a target, not a witness. joining me now is charles coleman jr., civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and legal animist, and tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal conconstitution. tia, i'm going to start with you. i want to go back to refresh people's memory in who was on the call when trump said i need to find 11,000 votes. mark meadows, his lawyer, cleta mitchell, another lawyer, brad raffensperger, georg

if that approach sounds familiar, that's how bill barr ran the hyped but failed review of the mueller probe. there were leaks. barr gave interviews, predicted future information, bombshells. they never came. in fact, barr's prosecutor lost the cases that did come out of it, and none of them were vague to begin with. they never discovered some deep state conspiracy they promised. and they made controversial efforts to find any kind of dirt they could to discredit the original probe of trump. so that is the -- that's now being applied to this insurrection which has been convicted as an actual sedition. for carlson, the sedition he said was not violent, not an insurrection. he thinks the people who did violent by storm the capitol, to him they don't look like terrorists, whatever that means. >> of all the things that january 6th was, it was definitely not a violent terrorist attack. it wasn't a insurrection. an outbreak of mob violence, a forgotably minor outbreak by recent standards. you see people walking around taking pictures. they don't look like terrorists, they look like tourists.