you don't understand mr. drake. because i said, what are we doing, violating the law. and if it remember that we go back to congress and i was told i was actually told by the chief counsel in the general counsel's office. that if we go to congress, what i want to do, they'll say no. now this is right after $911.00. this is before the patriot act was passed. wow. which itself really push the boundaries? but at least it was legislation formulated by congress, right? and then signed into law by the president. this is before that, this is that period before that. and so, yeah it's, it's quite something and you can imagine knowing there, violating the law wilfully and deliberately that they're going to have to cover it up. that's again, one of the realities of, of a secrecy regime when you're incentivized to keep high, keep a hidden what you're actually doing and the secrets is system. i'll permit that. when i was at the ca, in the immediate aftermath of the 911 attacks, our director for counterterrorism said very plainly, we're going to start killing people, lots of people