to be or whether it is just another tool of american foreign policy. jamie now is a professor mohammed randi professor at the university of to ron and a political analyst professor is the freedom index. really a just a measure of who is playing nice with the ruling elite in washington? in my opinion, yes, that's the problem. the freedom index is a tool basically that is used in order to put pressure on countries that united states in this allies have problems with. and it to make those countries that are close to the united states feel more comfortable. it's not just the freedom an index, it's a host of different human rights organizations and other institutions that are used by the united states. they're funded by the united states. they're funded by major corporations that are close to the us government. and therefore, you will see that dictatorships in west asia, north africa, or, and latin american africa, or in africa and europe that are close to the united states or having close to the united states in the past. they will get a favorable a trail. yes, country is to have, unless he is in conflict with that of the united states and other nato count

elizabeth: we're seeing bills in a number of states, push back growing against colleges and universities going too far left, g, ron desantis trying to indoctrination of florida's universities and kelly o'grady is joining us live. reporter: the piece on desantis is interesting, it is representative of a larger push. north carolina, unc their board of trustees created a school of civic life and leadership to promote free speech and democracy. in practice program would have own dean and hire over a dozen new professor, they share, unc has no shortage of leftist views but the same cannot be said about conservative views, their faculty is pushing back, sharing they were blind sided by the decision, they don't feel students are being silenced. but others argue there served of liberal ideology pushed. you mentioned a florida gov governor ron desantis, they would include tighter control on tep tenure and banning critical race theory programs, unc and the governor are being called out take a step back, others call it a recover, the original purpose of education. elizabeth: thank you. >> look who is here. former university of the kentucky --

of course, from what profession, professor of political communication at the university of ron food is, was saying food many thanks. alright. to our new show, just their head on the indeed deals with food, what he was just seeing there. it's called african now paul asleep or is examining the continued rise of terrorism, an instability on the continent and asks, who's responsible for it? that's next. say close lou, a 3rd hello and welcome to this week's africa. now show i'm policy and i'm with our team in the canyon coastal city of mombasa. this week we explore the wives of terrorism and extremism in africa. and for this reason we've chosen kenya this east african country has seen some of the worst terror attacks in recent history. most of the attacks are carried out by the hour chabad militant group and its supporters who cross over from somalia to the east. oh, no, probably what happened with the what happened with that he caught up with 2 of the worst terra tax in recent kenya history. where with the westgate shopping center and the 2 city hotel complex in the capital, nairobi, we will refuse permission to take our cameras i

to help reduce the suffering of those and syria and turkey. use of generally r t t. ron earlier we spoke to a political analyst inter on universe that he said, mohammed mirandi, who says western countries are creating an illusion of carrying about human rights . western countries will pretend that they care. they will blame the syrian government for the misery in syria. they will make excuses for not providing aid in the systems to the syrian people, but i think it's becoming increasingly clear that countries like iran, russia, iraq, lebanon, algeria, among other countries, are sending assistance to syria, contrary to what western governments and western media and western at least like to say that it is the west that cares about human rights and human dignity. it's really the other way around. it is countries like iran and other countries in the global south that care about human dignity. and we're seeing that in syria. and in turkey, western regimes want to make the syrian people suffer as much as possible. people in the conflict hit gaza have also joined the drive to send help launching a blood donation campaign organized by

to make a nuclear bomb. or ron has repeatedly rejected those allegations. political communications professor at the university of iran for a lot. as it says that the us is trying to isolate sanction countries from the world and thereby ruined their economies. the united states, as you know, once to isolate, is on. so whenever the opportunity is fully on to find new partners, new friends, to increase cooperation. but to other countries, it's an opportunity that union officials will take it will take advantage of aim of american sanctions against love. it is to cause economic difficulties full that country and iran is able to help symbol way to make sure that the u. s. policy against the people of them always struggling to succeed. what when understand from american foreign policy? is that no matter what you do, i'm in the hands would never be satisfied with it as long as it considered a country an enemy country. they continued to engage in pressure, illegal activities against that country. ah, russia as a report by the o. p. c. w with alleged new evidence about chemical weapons in syria, came from a 3rd party in

to be sinking. a new poll by the university of new hampshire shows florida governor ron desantis running 12 points aheadrump running at only 30%. here is the republican front runner ron desantis today responding to donald trump's attack against him yesterday. >> i spend my time delivering results for the people of florida and fighting against joe biden, that's how i spend my time. i don't spend my time trying to smear other republicans. >> joining us now, stuart stevens, a veteran of five republican presidential campaigns, he is the author of it was all a lie, how the republican party became donald trump. stuart, donald trump's attempt to intimidate prosecutors on the issue of indicting him by being the front runner for the republican nomination isn't working out as planned. >> yes, you know, listen, lawrence i still think donald trump will be the nominee. i thought it was interesting that the sentence didn't deny this allegation against him. but, i suspect that this will have some impact the fact that he is going to be running for president, we will be in debates here, i don't know, in a few months, pr

ron desantis, i can't speak to the finances of this university.his college has been under funded for many years since they left their central florida funding system. they have to lobby for their own dollars. they actually don't have huge budgets. so, they don't have a lot of money. apparently, they have a 15 million dollar request into the florida legislature. so, perhaps they will try to cobble that back in this will be a well funded position. what i know is, ron desantis, unlike you just saw this general election video, nikki haley's announcement for president -- ron desantis has this ability, as you said -- he is probably the best person and the republican party taking red meat issues for the base and is throwing red meat at them. it is crt. it is sending venezuelans to martha's vineyard. it is masks in covid. he can take any culture war issue and make it his own and rile up the gop base. but i don't see him doing a lot of really serious conservative policy reforms. that is something desantis will need to answer. >> this is time and effort. thi

of montana students. my challenge tonight, to education leaders at every college, every university, and every school district in the state, follow ron's lead, be innovative, be transformative, don't be constrained by brick and mortar, and improve educational opportunities for all montana students. we can also transform how we deliver traditional k-12 education and imagine a student who lives in rural montana, she excels at math, but the school doesn't offer advanced calculus and other stem courses. wouldn't she benefit from taking calculus on line. geographic boundaries are no longer a straight, we must modernize our way of thinking beyond traditional geographic boundaries. through representative. owns's bill to transform the digital academy. i ask you to pass that bill, to get it on your desk. >> let's also double the, on the big sky scholarship, to expand parental choice on k-12 education. let's do all -- and take better care for the help of our kids reaching their full potential. and -- teaching, my mom was a high school math teacher and my daughter is teaching high school and math. for too long teachers who answer the call and sta

innovative work on behalf of montana students, my challenge tonight to the education leaders at every college, university and every school district in the state. follow ron'sead and to be innovative and transformative and develop partnerships with the private sector. don't be constrained by brick and mortar and improve educational opportunities for all montana students. we can also transform how we deliver traditionaled k-12 education. imagine a student who lives in rural montana she excels at math at her school does not offer advanced calculus or other stem courses. whatt she benefit from taking calculus online? geographic boundaries are no longer a constraint. we must modernize a way to think of education they do those boundaries. we can do that through representative lou jones bill to transform the montana digital cat academy ask you to pass the bill and get on my desk. [applause] let's also double the cap on the big sky scholarship to expand parental choice in k-12 education. [applause] full potential our montana teachers. [applause] gov. gianforte: teaching is a calling. my mom was a high school math teacher and now my daughter is teaching high school

university of colorado, boulder law school professor jeffrey blackner wrote this on twitter. -- i've known ron klain since he was a 29 year old chief counsel of the judiciary committee. toabout policy and more about policy than anyone who knows more about politics. he is the replaceable. tomorrow, i'm going to spend some time in the west wing with ron klain as he spends his last days in the most important position he has ever held in his 36 years working partnership with joe biden which began in the united states and the day after ron klain -- returned from his honeymoon. i know of no partnership in politics and in government that has lasted so long and achieved so much. ron klain will get his last word from the white house tomorrow night at 10 pm. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. now >> tonight, donald trump on tape and under oath -- taking the fifth more than 400 times, after years of trashing his opponents who do the same thing. then, george santos is stepping down from his committees amid his own investigations. what will kevin mccarthy do now? and 5. 4 billion dollars of potential fraud in pandemic related loans. with repu

of thought. governor ron desantis releasing a package of reforms change and ending what he calls indoctrination at his state's universities. it is representative of a larger pushback against one dominant ideology in education, certainly going tog into the 2024 cycle. stuart: yes it is. kelly o'grady, see you again soon. we have with us, marty on the board of trustees, thanks for coming on the show. this is a bold move, launching a brand-new school. are you taking direct aim at wokeism? >> i wouldn't say we are taking aim at wokeism, we are creating an environment for civil discourse. when one side is represented and the other side is allowed to speak up it may seem we are taking aim but we are trying to create a level playing field. stuart: why isn't this popular but the faculty? >> faculty hasn't addressed the school. they are more focused on the process which is a shame. we should be discussing the merits of the ideas. their reaction or some of their reaction is indicative of why we need such a program. stuart: will there be safe spaces at the new school? >> there is no safe space in life. i think allowing people to have a civil dialogue and feel comfortable in their own skin and feel comfortable sharing what they think, no

ron desantis had to say. governor desantis: my signature in this bill will impose florida law on this area, just like it is imposed on universal studios and sea world and all of other places. and this bill and the structure we have created in this bill will ensure that the municipal debt that has been racked up will be paid by disney, not by florida taxpayers. james: with me is our north america correspondent. i learned earlier today that ron desantis got married at disney world back in 2009. he is now the governor. why has he made disney world such a centerpiece? anthony: you can't understate how important disney is to florida's economy and the influence it has had. but i think it was a good foil for ron desantis, this california-based company that was objecting to the don't say gay bill, as you mentioned. it was a chance for desantis to make his point that there are corporations in this country, in his view, that are too liberal, pressured shareholders, the public, to spout liberal agendas. and this was a cnce for conservative states to push back against. although i will say that they abolished that governing district before to put the state in control beca

to be the gop nominee, tied with florida governor ron desantis. by next guest, john aristotle phillips, created predictit, in conjunction with the university of wellingtone federal agency that regulates the markets, the commodity futures trading commission, allowed the market originally with a no action letter, meaning it could run as an academic exercise. so predictit has been operating under restrictions. bets are capped at $850 limits, no mar than 5,000 people can be in any given market at a time. no contracts are allowed on sports or if somebody is going to kid or get kidnapped. now the cftc wants to shut the market down saying it's expanded beyond its educational roots. phillips is fighting back. and, by the way, he has a most unusual backstory. he first became famous in 1976 as the a-bomb kid, when as a princeton undergraduate he created a 34-page how-to guide for building a nuclear weapon using publicly available information. in 1978 he coauthored a book called "mushroom: the story of the a-bomb kid". john joins me now. good to see you. why is this legal, where in the united states generally we prohibit wagering on elections? >> first of all, mic

according to a new quinnipiac university poll, trump is the top choice among republicans and republican leaning voters with 42% of those surveyed. florida governor ronnor nikki haley comes in a distant third with 5%. we should note haley and trump are the only two declared candidates at this point. former vice president mike pence and former secretary of state mike pompano each have 4%. no other republican got more than 2%. meanwhile in a hypothetical general election matchup, polling shows the race between trump and president biden is neck and neck. biden gets support from 48% of registered voters while trump has 46%. that's within the margin of error. joining us now the co-founder of punch bowl news, our friend anna palmer. she is an msnbc contributor. good morning, great to see you. let's start with the polling and then we'll get to senator fetterman. certainly those numbers suggest a two-way race, a tight one between donald trump and governor desantis. but who should be feeling better about those numbers? because it occurs to me it's a pretty strong showing for governor desantis considering he's not even in the race just yet. >> yeah, i agree wi

ron desantis a successful reshaping of florida's collegeok system after desantis unveiled a new playbook for ending de at florida public universities. those colleges move really fast to erase any evidence of whaty t their plans were, but my next guest was able to recover them. investigative journalist chris rufo has just publishedy f a devastating expose about the university of south florida's program. now, the documents hobe obtained show how the school wantedr whit to teach that america is after force for white supremacy. of ge that's not all. f after the death of george floyld ,the school encourage students to attend racially segregated counseling sessions labeled as healing spaces. joining us now, chris rufo, manhattan institute senior fellow chris , the school also promoted so-called white identity development. >> take us through that. cri >> so this is an idea of taking critical race theory and then applying it using psychological techniques that really resemble programing. they have a whole efromei infrastructure from their counseling center that embraces these radical theoretical principles. prt they do is they work you through this position where you have to

universal basic income and you had steve forbes on the flat tax. room for candidates to run on an idea and get a lot of momentum. the challenge for ramaswamy is a lot of other republicans, especially ron desantis are talking about many of the same issues he has put into the public domain. >> bill: i mentioned the video he put out. one of his most effective lines you believe in american ideas and assume your neighbor does, too, you don't want to ask him about it because you're too afraid to talk about it in public. that's what the woke culture has done to get its tentacles into the brains of so many americans. quick comment. >> i talked to ramaswamy yesterday before he made the announcement and he is convinced and has a lot of polling data to back it up that the issues that he is talking about are not 50/50 issues dividing the country but silent majority types of issues that 65, 70% of americans can agree on. that's essentially his big political bet. these are not just culture war issues. these are not just issues that divide the parties. these are universal american issues that when push comes to shove moderate democrats, moderate republicans and conservatives alike can agree on and b

public university in the state of florida, jonathan cox, who i talked to recently on my podcast, why is this happening, dropped two classes last week, this fall, that he had been offering, because of ronop woke law. even in folks that aren't laying down edicts about teaching race, local school boards reached agenda, michael woodlyn park member grilled a high school teacher about one of the tech start-up history elective. this is top in 2015 after students decided, they needed to read more nonfiction to boost their performance on the s. a. t.. >> in his 2015 book between the world to me, ta-nehisi coates writes, among other things, quote, the power of domination and exclusion is central to the belief in being white. and without it, white people would cease to exist. my question to you, do you agree with this teaching? we it be appropriate or even lawful, to teach a child to view a person as inherently bad, or dangerous, simply because of the color of their skin? >> now, the teacher struggled with their answer, and you can understand why that he would. the quote, taken completely out of context. the book came from, between the world in the, was not just some, you know, scurried that was

to protest governor ron desantis's latest -- teaching black history in florida public schools -- joining me now, professor kimberly -- critical race theory professor and scholar at columbia university and bishop -- the senior pastor of battle church in jacksonville, florida. he is one of the leaders of the march and on the board of the national action. thank you both for joining me tonight. let me go to you, bishop, down there in florida. you will be hosting the prayer and the march preparation at bethel missionary church in tallahassee. -- we will kick off about noon marching towards the capitol at around noon. earlier this week, we found that there has been those who have supported the governor. some have been against the governor. why has the community gotten so involved because i'm getting ready to talk to the professor who has been attacked and the college board revised its findings and it's framework for advanced placement of african american studies across -- why have the faith leaders got involved in this? why are you trying to really get a lot of people to come out and join us on wednesday? >> first of all, reverend al, thank you so much for joining -- one main reason is because the black church has always

universities shifting power into republicans' hands and ban gender studies as a field of study. it would also block courses with a curriculum based on theoretical content. this is the latest effort to align higher education with governor ronsion to reject what he calls woke ideologies. college students statewide staged a walkout to protest desantis and support the lgbtq plus community. joining me are two students who got involved. elijah and cat are both juniors at the university of south florida. good to see both of you. >> hello. >> hi. >> elijah, you first. tell me about the walkout. what was the goal? did it meet your expectations? >> first of all, it more than exceeded my expectations. we had hundreds of students on each campus and we had more than ten campuses participating. so there was thousands of students across the state that walked out, which was really awesome to see. the reason we were walking out is because we feel that the government is basically trying to prevent us from learning what we want to learn inside of our classrooms. so we're taking the time to leave our classrooms and talk to people and learn about the history and information that's being prevented from being talked about. >> elijah, you're the

cinematic universe going forward and that's where you see donald trump and ron desantis being the ones that voters are gravitating to right now. >> jackie, when anyone launches a bid, they have a lot of people around them, right, who will encourage them, ultimately hearing enough people say this is a good idea, we think you have a shot. there's some questions this morning about whether she may have a shot, just based on early polling. could this, though, be perhaps less about her really going for the white house in 2024 and more of a long-term political play on her part, jackie? >> we'll have to see. it does seem like she really wants to be president if you read some of her previous interviews, but it is too soon to tell what her longevity will be. it will be very interesting to see how she -- sara mentions pompeo, pence, these people that worked for former president trump, that were in his administration as our boston globe wrote this week how they square how they worked for him and now running against him potentially for some of them at this point for the 2024 nomination. because that is, while they do try to make that loyalty pitch, it's not exactly the most loyal thing to challen

week, ron desantis also announced he plans to bush state universities who are spending funds on diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives. this all comes as cars florida becomes the epicenter of anti lgbtq legislation. -- and rodrigo had leighton executive director for the national center for trans gender equality. thank you both for being here. david i want to start with. you college board saying we did not given, other people, critics saying that you water distancing that the republican, including ron desantis that there were happy. what do you make of the consequences of this. the impact that it's going to, have especially on students who are talking about their lived experiences? >> yeah, i appreciate the question and want to name have russia did i am that we're talking about this in black history month and out of all the black news that we could be talking about, -- relatively conscious in america. almost always be in a constant state of rage. i am an ridge that desantis has been engaged in an all out attack on academic freedom on free speech and on our core pillars of democracy including public school. we got here because this is simply a manifestation of white national

ron desantis's latest attempt to ban teaching black history in florida schools. joining me now, professor kimberly crenshaw, critical race theory professor scholar at columbia university. and bishop rudy mckissick, the senior pastor of bethelridge in jacksonville, florida. he is one of the leaders of the march. thank you both for joining me tonight. let me go to you bishop, down florida. you will be hosting the prayer and march preparations at bethel baptist church in tallahassee. and we will kick off the march towards the capital at around noon. why earlier this week, we find that there has been those that have supported the governor, there have been those that have acted against the governor. why has the faith community gotten so involved,, because we talk to professor crenshaw who's been attacked. and the college board revised its findings, and it's framework for the placement of african american studies. why have the faith leaders got involved in this? and why are you trying to -- >> first of all, reverend al, thank you so much for having me. i think my main reason is because a black church has always been the holistic, prophetic witness in the african american community. so faith leaders are less than leaders i

ron desantis in florida, and nbc's julie on capitol hill. but first, students are set this hour to return to one of the buildings where the shooting at michigan state university happened. msnbc's shaquille brewster is there for us. i understand you just got an update on how all of this is going to work, shaq. what can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, we have been watching this process play out for the past half hour or so. we have been seeing students pull up to the building, the student union that's behind me, sometimes alone, sometimes with friends, sometimes with a parent, walk up to the front and be escorted inside by fbi agents. they're on the inside, picking up their book bags, cell phones, notebooks, the items they left as they fled the scene, ran for what they thought was running for their lives, trying to avoid the shooting that was taking place. i spoke to one student who was coming out, talked about the emotional process that it has been for her. as you go around the campus, you see the grief people are feeling. you see so many people hugging and embracing one another, and you also feel anger, some anger or the fact that this is somewhat of a reali

universal standard here. ron desantis and republicans are trying to make this the ultimate culture war battle. it's just not. it's such -- again, 0.003% ofit is even less than that. now, they're going to make florida girls report on their menstrual cycles as part of this cultural -- you talk about overkill. it's insanity. >> for me, it's not a question of overkill. it is an absolute disregard and disrespect for women. regardless of age. >> yes. >> regardless of circumstance. i'm not going to sit on this program as a man and opine about the menstrual cycles of women. nor should the florida legislature. that's no place. republicans, get your head out of your behinds. this is not the direction america wants to go. ron desantis, you think this is going to help launch your bid to become the next president of the united states? wait until you come to maryland and have that conversation about the menstrual cycle of women, all right? wait until you go to montana. wait until you go to mississippi. the reality of it is, this may work in your backyard, and this may be what floridians want for their young girls and for women, young women, but i don'

ron desantis dominating the potential 2024 republican presidential field. according to a new monmouth university poll, when asked who they'd like to see as the gop's nominee, 33% ofers said mike pence. no other candidate got more than 1% of responses. when asked about a hypothetical two-way race between trump and desantis, 53% picked the florida governor, while 40% chose the former president. yeah, he's kind of losing interest. people are losing interest. joining us now, someone with potential presidential aspirations of his own, republican governor chris sununu of new hampshire. great to have you back on the show. thanks for coming on this morning. >> you bet. morning. >> good morning. so how would a candidate break through? it is so difficult to break through on the national stage. if a candidate like you were to join the fray, would you have to make sure that you appease to trump every step of the way, or what would the angle be? >> clearly not. donald trump is not going to be the nominee, right? we're just moving on as a party, as a country. >> wait, he's not? >> no, donald trump is not going to win the nomination. no, no, clearly not. i mean, look, we're sti