itee to me maye views on fairness of that and they don't count and i may have views on that and mineon't count. we usually like to leave situations of that sort you talk about spending the government' money which is the taxpayers money to the people in charge of the money which is congress. host: that was some of the arguments including the chief justice of what did you think of the comparison? guest: when we put that duality, we fill to address the different challenges and barriers that many young people have, even getting into college. it's important for us to recognize the shifting of the mindset of student cancellation and an opportunity for folks to pour my money in our economy instead of having to pay back your student debt. you can become a home -- a homeowner or business owner so it's important for us to think about this as an opportunity. folks may say that student debt cancellation is unfair. when you think about it, canceling all student debt is what we need to happen. we need to make sure we give people the opportunity to see relief now. there is still the impact of this

iteeds to be more loud and pronounced andore specific i would say so that parts of the populace and russiantes would see, wait a minute, it is not about the dilemma whether we win or perish, it is a senseless war and we have to end it soon. the west must come up with something more politically specific to address russian insecurity and concern. which is not easy. the third parof my article is about selling peace. so many people accuse me of appeasing putin, blamed me for offering -- which w not my intention. my intention was to avoid the aftermath of the war which would be dangerous both for russia with nuclear weapons in russia and for it neighbors and for the architecture of european peace in general. nermeen: wolfgang sporrer, you were involved in the minsk talks from the outset. could you talk a little -- give us a background of this war you were involved with as i said from 2014 with the russian annexation of crimea as a member of the osce's special monitoring mission. >> well, the talks that took place in minsk where there to implement the so-called package of nations that was conclud