jim antle, what did he say? independent, you left the democratic party, but not happy what he's hearing with republicans. >> i'm not sure he's a prototypical swing voter exactly. clearly these are going to be some of the issues, if it's desantis that is the nominee. a lot, he is going to face a somewhat similar dilemma that trump does. a number of the things that desantis has done to really bond with republican base voters. to try to show that he can deliver on some of their concerns, particularly their cultural concerns. there is going to be some pushback against that. so a lot of the things he's done on education, for example, where he's trying to get greater parental control. it's clear that the counter framing of that is going to be book banning. not wanting to talk about slavery. not wanting to talk about the black american experience. desantis is going to have to have answers for that if he is the nominee. i think in the republican primary he continue to make some of the arguments that he's already been ma

. >> jim antle, final thoughts? then we'll have to wrap. >> there's an element of it that is a corporate shake down. you do have people who are writing on these progressive cultural themes that are going to get paid big money to go in and lecture. i do take the point that, hr departments are sort of lawsuit avoided departments internally within a company. and so anything you can do to shield management of the company from any kind of liability, you're definitely going to do. there definitely is a case that people feel aggrieved in certain ways that they didn't in the 90s. >> jim antle, politics editor with the washington examiner. chris lehmann, -- with the d.c. bureau. we thank you both for the conversation. >> this afternoon, merrick garland testifies on president biden's 2024 budget request for the justice department. live coverage before a senate appropriations subcommittee begins at two eastern. you can also watch on our free mobile video app, c-span now. or online at c-span.org. >> a discussion now on the nati

host: jim antle?st: the quarterback gets all the glory when the team is winning and blame when the team is losing. it may not be there, but that is the way it is. also true with the president. it is going to be true with the economy, but it is an interesting dynamic in that coveted only -- covid only marginally changed the results of the 2020 election. it was not a huge impact, did not affect the outcome. 40 year inflation had a more muted effect on the midterms than expected. my impression would be given that president biden's numbers on the economy are low, if he is unable to stick the soft landing with regard to inflation, that would probably mean he cannot get reelected, but i am not as confident about that as i would have been 15 years ago. other things drive elections that. -- now. host: donna, ohio, independent. caller: i am a true independent. the last time i voted for a democrat and a republican in our state election. i like nikki haley. now that i know more about desantis, in my opinion, pro

host: jim antle?st: the quarterback gets all the glory when the team is winning and blame when the team is losing. it may not be there, but that is the way it is. also true with the president. it is going to be true with the economy, but it is an interesting dynamic in that coveted only -- covid only marginally changed the results of the 2020 election. it was not a huge impact, did not affect the outcome. 40 year inflation had a more muted effect on the midterms than expected. my impression would be given that president biden's numbers on the economy are low, if he is unable to stick the soft landing with regard to inflation, that would probably mean he cannot get reelected, but i am not as confident about that as i would have been 15 years ago. other things drive elections that. -- now. host: donna, ohio, independent. caller: i am a true independent. the last time i voted for a democrat and a republican in our state election. i like nikki haley. now that i know more about desantis, in my opinion, pro