kate isaacs, very good to talk to ou, up. kate isaacs, very good to talk to you. thank _ up.ood to talk to you, thank you forjoining us. | to you, thank you forjoining us. let's get more on that breaking news, after governments in london and cardiff agree to talk with unit newtons. let's talk with our correspondent and cardiff. do we know what exactly might be on the table for some of those union members?— table for some of those union members? 9 :, , ., ,, ., members? we can only assume that it's a slightly — members? we can only assume that it's a slightly improved _ members? we can only assume that it's a slightly improved offer - members? we can only assume that it's a slightly improved offer from i it's a slightly improved offer from what the gmb and unite members protected. just a matter of —— a few days ago, they offered 4.5%, offering a 3% rise on top of that, although i must say that not all of that will be a substantive consolidated pay rise, so some will be permanent, the other will be a one—off cash lump sum to deal with the cost—of—living crisis. that was rejecte

well, we're joined now by the founder of not your own, kate isaacs , to tell your own, kate isaacs, toe. it was a miracle to be to be honest to get 21 months jail time. a lot of the cases worked. maximum. maximum is absolutely maximum and quite unprecedented unfortunately, a lot of the cases i've worked on haven't even gotten an arrest, let alone a conviction, alone jail a conviction, let alone jail time . so, yeah, absolute time. so, yeah, an absolute celebration today . i it celebration today. i think it strong sends strong strong sends a really strong message the general public message to the general public and to those who are thinking about that. is about perpetrating that. this is punishable by law and we are not going to take that in the uk lying down. i mean, this case is obviously, i didn't mean to say it like that, but i know what you is i you said is the i mean, obviously this case as shine obviously this case is as shine a light on the issue. how widespread is this as a as an issue? is it is it more widespread than you think? people absolutely. yeah, absolutely . i people a