he's the current senior advisor of the atlantic council chair, the kilbourne group. thank you so much for coming on to us 20 years since since this sir. seismic change in the world, you design shock and all how do you reflect on it today? the shock and awe that we design and i was part of a group of people who had actually thought and desert storm as well as donald rumsfeld, secretary of defense, who was a rock member of the group. the shock and all that we design was not the shock. and all that general tommy franks administered with franks did was a desert storm sort of massive attack on steroids. if the real shock and i had been used, we would have try to depose saddam hussein without firing a shot. and where we would have started was to determine whether or not saddam actually had weapons of mass destruction, which i never believed advised the government. and the reason in many ways why saddam was reluctant to admit that was that he didn't want to tell his enemies. and many of his generals, he was absolutely naked. with the point is that desert storm was the model

more from the architect of shock and or li chair, the kilbourne group after this brand. ah ah, march 20th 2003, the u. s. army and its allies invaded iraq, iowa. especially here, the faded to day. let me know. kind of was it anybody else ever? nevada. 07. how? oh lim. dash. and a hobby made the 1st 2003 us president george bush declared victory in the iraq war. i did the project. i, you know, up i would put up for a potential hired to december, the 30th 2006 said i'm hussein was executed and mm hm. we'll shut down them from done december, the 15th 2011. a ceremony was held in baghdad to mark the end of the u. s. military mission. in reality, the u. s. army is still in iraq, a blob. she had a village and destroy a couple football with ah, ah ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the shock in or architect and senior advisor, the lady council go to holland woman. let's just go back to nord stream because he watches be on the show and you see his reaction to the story that was leaked to design and to the new york times. and it was even the new york times

more from the architect of shock and or li chair, the kilbourne group after this brand. ah ah, the international criminal court is accused russia of committee. more crimes and ukraine, of course, the bite administration could not be more please the i c c, u. c. that's a long history of doing washington's bidding. the same court washington refuses to be part of ah ah ah, ah welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the shock in or architect and senior advisor, the lady council go to holland woman. let's just go back to nord stream because he watches be on the show and you see his reaction to the story that was leaked to design and to the new york times. and it was even the new york times had to go apparently, and suggests. and it's been said by so many experts that the kind of explosive devices having to be used show that there is no way this was, i mean, as, as the united states said at the beginning, this is a state actor. now even lady, so you don't believe it's the bible administration that did it. it's absurd. it's actually because i don't think we're 1s

he's the current senior advisor of the atlantic council chair, the kilbourne group. thank you so much for coming on to us 20 years since since this sir. seismic a change in the world, you design shock and all how do you reflect on it today.