applewhite top them to give up all human attachments.nships with their families and friends and jobs. their possessions, ultimately their names, their genders and their own bodies. sound familiar? 1995 the discovery of the hale bopp comet convinced marshall applewhite his prophecies were about to come true. what did he deal? in pursuit of endogenous immortality he castrated himself and encourage his father cultist to do the same. many dead. they castrated themselves at a clinic in mexico. 2 years later at applewhite structure the cold committed mass suicide house outside san diego. 38 people died. you can go on wikipedia and read all about it. we recommend that you do. why? once again it sounds familiar. heaven's gate is proof that when religious fanatics command you to surrender your gender and become androgynous, castrate yourself and your children. it's probably not going to end well. >> we spent last week talking a lot about the leaker, the 21-year-old massachusetts air national rdsmen who brought 4 documents proving the budget demon

of interest was that marshall applewhite was not the last one to die. he was in the second group.stairs was the huge master bedroom and he was there alone in the king sized. for the families of the victims. news of the suicides. in many cases that was the first they had heard of their relatives in years. it was part of the heaven's gate credo. no contact with outside family members. when you heard about what happened north of san diego, did you know immediately? i didn't a friend of mine called me at work and started telling me not gonna believe what i'm seeing on tv. and she mentioned the term father dough, and she mentioned that ufo and that with the help of comments, and then i went, oh, man, so i started making some phone calls, and i found out that showed my mom's picture in her inspection. sad it is really is my mom was sick. such a special lady and she had such a genuine heart and so much compassion for people and she would have never taken the group to the conclusion that it came to doe was so caught up in his own head and his own narcissistic beliefs. i know that the form

and in fact, when we got here, everyone just looked at me like applewhite, you nutball. but he's are not. scared of going public, but i felt like i needed to i knew that they weren't getting the most accurate reporting on them. joining us now from seattle is andrew, a member of heaven's gate for 18 years from 1975 to 1993. that's an assumed name. by the way in new york is sawyer also an assumed name, and he was a member of heaven's gate. what do you make of this? sawyer? well see, the group was looking to leave the planet and they were going to do it in any way that they possibly could. okay so they were thinking, brainstorming constantly on how that might occur so that they could, then their souls could then move into the next level. if you had stayed a few more years, would you have killed yourself with them? i doubt it. i mean, sawyer shot to me. you left in 94. that's not too long ago. would you have killed yourself with them? sawyer we're all surprisingly as it may seem i had at the time. i thought i would, yes. the people who covered it in general. weren't of a min

even before she met, uh marshall applewhite .as someone who was al very entrenched in new age thinking. after you have gone through the meditation. just try to hold that bright flight in your body. it's supposed to heal your body. you know all of this kind of stuff crystals and ascended beings and channeling dead people and seances. i have come. and i am going to work with many of you today and part of that interest was in ufos. we used to dream about a ufo picking us up and taking us away from this world. we didn't feel like we belong here. i don't remember if i saw it first, or she saw it first. we saw this light in the sky that appeared to move in different directions. we were talking about how neat it would be if it were a ufo, and here we come down and pick us up and take us away. and we would speculate about what it would be like and going to different planets and his both of us wanted to leave this earth. we were going through an awakening period. it's common. for the person who is awakening. for his life to begin to fall

her if applewhite and his former nurse . this is the story that i heard. going to attempt a career on the opera stage at houston grand opera. he was going to do his biggest role there, which is the role of olin blitch. he's a traveling preacher who seduces susanna in the opera, susanna. the lord. he spoke to me this afternoon and he said, let. it's going to be a lot of holes at that meeting tonight. don't take no text. in your mouth. he was in rehearsal , and he had some sort of a psychotic episode and was actually hospitalized. we met just perchance while i was visiting a sick friend in a hospital where tv is a nurse. i think most people don't think of tea as the real leader of the group. but she met dough when he was obviously at a vulnerable point. she convinced him that that he was her soul mate. tea had more experience and was older. than me. i could see tease control was better than mine. t really recruited dope and joe was her follower. nettle says. women astrologer and i can do your chart. and she deduces that they're faded to work together on some

this is marshall herff applewhite's fbi report.here's a letter from a concerned parent, which was sent to a congressman. forwarded to the fbi. um and the fbi. beautifully responded and said, there's really not much we can do about this group through consenting adults. there wasn't worried about the government so much as family members, um, intervening. the magnetism of tea and does 19 year old david nancy brown's son. i couldn't believe that he was really going off to do this. and i had to have some knowledge of why? i mean, after all, you've spent 18 years raising a child. he was now 19 and he said, you know, i can't ever picture myself just living a kind of life that most people take to be normal. he left and 75. this was now in 1980. apparently some parents and people have tried hired private investigators and nobody's been able to find out anything about them. there was a formation of a parent's network by the late seventies, led by a woman named nancy brown. so anytime there was any news that the heaven's gate members are part

then two years later, atat a applewhites direction, the cult committed mass suicide i n house outside san diego. thirty eight people died. you can go on wikipedia and read all about it, and we recommend that you do. >> why?. because once again, it sounds familiar. heavens, eight is proof that when religious fanatics command you to surrender your gender and become androgynous, castrate yourself and your children, it's probably not, going to end well. >>te yours so we spent last week talking a lot about the leaker, the twenty one year old massachusetts air national guardsman who brought forward documents proving the biden administration has been lying about the war in ukraine forthea more than a year now.r mo were kno tw that there areha, in fact, boots on the ground, american special forces fighting in ukraine. ukralso know that ukraine is losing that war.e is most media outlets are l telline yotsu the opposite. >> they're telling you, in fact, to focus on the leaker, not what he leaked. but senator mike brown of indiana is one of the very fewao republican in the senate who is concerne

marshall applewhite didn't like his homosexuality.o he created a myth around that piece that he didn't like. he came to a conclusion about his body that it was abhorrent. no hold a meeting, and he said that he had a nocturnal emission. and he was investigating having himself castrated. would any of you have reservations of having the same procedure done? and i didn't have any reservations was committed to being celibate for the rest of my life. if you're i offend, you block it out. it's the same idea if something is so offensive to you that your control is threatened by it. and why shouldn't you dispose of it? if you have that option to do it? not that i have ever talk to anyone into taking that action. i think w was greatly influenced by some of the stronger members of that point who fed him some of the more extreme ideas and that's not unusual in a group it kind of took control of him. i think, in a sense, he was also a victim. i was told that, for example, the castrations was not his idea and was actually erodes idea who was one of

. >> reporter: getting that word out is ashton applewhite's singular mission. >> so i sold the rightsbeautiful book. >> wow. >> her book, "this chair rocks," argues for fighting back. >> my goal is to help catalyze a grassroots movement like the women's movement to raise awareness of ageism, what it is, what it looks like, what it smells like, and what wean do >> wrin,ndhoacot anymor reporter: anti-g products, is tgeist j i itself?>>solutely. i mean it's a multi-million, gazillion dollar industry really designed to frankly encourage all of us to think that the appearance of older adults isn't attractive. >> how do you answer when somebody says, oh, you look great for your age? >> well, the only snappy answer i've come up with in all this time, you say "you look great for your age too." and let that sit there because a lot of age-based comments are often well-intended. that is intended as a compliment. >> yeah. >> but i can't accept that compliment. it suggests that there's a certain way you look at a certain age, and there's no such thing. >> so to be clear, we're not attacking joe bi