and this story will directly affect the development of existence and the formats of life in our country. we are now adding to our marathon oleksandr gladun, deputy director of the institute of demography and social research of the academy of sciencesry to ukraine , oleksandr. congratulations to you as a hero. good day. scientist, so how many people from those who left will return or vice versa, will this moment of outflow of people from ukraine last, when we talk about the population size, we should to decide on which territory we will determine the population of the entire territory, including the crimea, whether as of february 24 of last year or for the territory that is currently under control, regardless of this , there will be quite different numbers and estimates are very different, they still very much depend on what indicators should be included in the calculation of, let's say, the migration movement of the population and the natural movement of the population, as for births and deaths, well, there are already data for last year from the ministry of justice, but of course they are incomplete and they are not compared with the data that they had for the past e-e for the 21st and earlier years . as for the migratory outflow