let's bring back katie benner, and former alabama senator doug jones katie, what do you make of thi deal i jordan about having mark pomerantz testify. it seems each side here ha claimed a little bit of victory, and what do you think of it? >> each side is claimed victor because the ultimate decisio has been made. so what's interesting is you'v seen, first of all, looking at jim jordan you've done somethin interesting here he's claimed there has been legitimate, congressiona reason about oversight in orde to speak with mark pomerantz because he decided that he wants to introduce incredibl specific bill that the forme president is under investigation by a state to be prosecuted, but should b immediately be moved to th federal system now, again, that's incredibl specific you can make of that what yo will but that is sort of the reason why he says he needs to talk t mark pomerantz because he says that mark is i a unique position to understan the sorts of investigation having work on one himself pomerantz, for his part, he is put in this impossible situation we are both ji jordan is asking hi

i want to bring in my dear friends katie benner, pulitzer prize-winning justic department reporter foro nyu law school melissa, break this down for us what is the doj asking for i today's appeal what do we need to know? >> they're asking for th intermediate appellate court that judge kacsmaryk directl is right under, they're asking the appeals court to essentially stay judge kacsmaryk ruling so doesn't go into effect, so this can basically allow their appeal process to review all of the agency indications and all o their studies to make sure tha they can comply with thi process. so, it is essentially asking for the agency rebuke proces to be allowed to play out. and again, the first circuit has a lot of different options here it doesn't actually have t take up this decision in the seven days that were allotte by judge kacsmaryk they can actually just let the clock run out. and that will of course te this up to go to the supreme court, if the supreme court di nothing and this went into effect on friday, as it is planned to do. >> katie, 200 different bio fo groups signed an open letter

this guy is going to pay a price for his misconduct. >> chumps, i feel seen katie benner, let me cometo your point about a judge sort of laying down some parameters this is nbc's reporting of what happened today judge kaplan suggested to trump lower joseph tacopina that the former president could risk being sued or have sanctions we're getting into an area in which your client could face a new liability and i think you know what i mean in his first truth social post on wednesday trump quote the e. jean carroll case, ms. bergdorf goodman, is a made up, all caps, scam her lawyer is a political operative financed by a big political donor, blah, blah, blah i'm not going to read the rest of it but he goes on to invoke monica lewinsky's dress and stuff. the judge then said that trump refused -- it's insanity but what he's amplifying and it goes right back to the point that e. jean carroll writes about, right? that just to be up there playing by all the rules subjects you to a litany of threats, exposes you to death threats >> absolutely. and what's so interesting about what the judge has do

reporter and msnbc contributor greg bluestein also joining our coverage "new york times" reporter katie bennerzzi is here, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. greg, katie and frank thank the lord all msnbc contributors. greg, take us through what you and your paper are reporting >> yeah, i'm happy to help you zig and zag any day. we have a letter from district attorney fani willis where she's indicating her timeline to announce indictments is now between july and september, which is a significant shift because 134 legal experts thought it could be as soon as next month but it's also a clear signal she might be trying to obtain an indictment against the former president and his allies she's also asking law enforcement officials to be prepared for protests and other potential threats of violence around the fulton county courthouse regarding her decision >> let me read that part of her letter it says open source intelligence has indicated the announcement of decisions in this case may provoke a significant public reaction we have seen in recent years that some may go outside of

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