a yeah, outcomes based education is an artifact of what started with john dooley, who's the father of american education, who was formed by depression schools, even before the 20th century to begin. so it's an artifact of materialism and scientism. and you see it's from the school of this office where they believe there's nothing outside or beyond the material realities. they assume that students in schools are meant to be ages of social change and to be used to solve social problems. they have good intentions, but this is terribly misguided if you discover what an authentic education is. so outcomes based education. suppose it looks at society and determine what they think people need to know to be good citizens in terms of working and, and producing and contributing to the really big ican nomic wellbeing of the state . and they make that list of things and then they plan backwards and teach to those specific skills or things so. so the opposite is done by the philosophers. they begin with principles of truth. and they don't aim with the kinds of outcomes. in fact, all the outcomes i