but really, matthew la desilva, who took office this year once to enter legal deforestation in the amazon by 2030. and he has a good track record when he was president 20 years ago. his government reduced deforestation. and this reinforce by 80 percent, it expanded protected areas and strength and authorities to crack down on these spots. now let's administration has further developed that's action plan. what was your plan? the plan is to relentlessly combat crimes such as the illegal occupation of public lands. mine will be logging illegal, hunting and fishing and indigenous territories and to give environmental protection aries to the amazon as a whole. but challenges remain. not lisa, powerful agri, business block, and congress that could hold back new environmental laws. i find this very hard to be reached at 0. you're the 1st 7 years and on the other hand is working to set the initials goals and people around the world will feel the climate of consequences if these goals are met. well i'm joined now by carlos know, bring a senior scientist for the university itself. halloween, brazil