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ntetow— professor neil ferguson's history article— professor neil ferguson's history article modelling lost— forecasting that 500,000 lives would be lost without action. ant— would be lost without action. ant we— would be lost without action. ant we no— would be lost without action. and we now know that those notete— and we now know that those models weren't— and we now know that those models weren't right . and we now know that those models weren't right. but if you toot— models weren't right. but if you toot ot— models weren't right. but if you look at comparisons between nonn— look at comparisons between harsh lockdowns— look at comparisons between harsh lockdowns and the more wotwntow— harsh lockdowns and the more voluntary methods such as sweeten— voluntary methods such as sweten us— voluntary methods such as sweden, us eased, there's only a snott— sweden, us eased, there's only a small mortality— sweden, us eased, there's only a small mortality of— sweden, us eased, there's only a small mortality of difference of about— small mortality of difference of about mo— small mortality o

and neil ferguson, a not working. and neil ferguson, o-bos— not working.ness in covid baroness hallett in the covid inquiry, and for her to ask her those sorts of questions is she going i think she going to do that? i i think she has the intention to. but i think considering- has the intention to. but i think considering the- " but i think considering the government beeps—measures- think considering the government keeps measures such keeps trying to do measures such as keeps trying to do measures such os-ber— keeps trying to do measures such os-ber mom — keeps trying to do measures such as-her from .lookingl as block her from even looking at as block her from even looking or-vvborsobbs— as block her from even looking at whatsapps internal at their whatsapps the internal communications— communications of pandemic bobby.— policy. at the time the government - government are terrified of bovmg— government are terrified of having the having any transparency to the bubrre—rbeyl public as to how badly they mrsmomogeo— public as to how badly they mismanaged pandem

htetew— professor neil ferguson's history article— professor neil ferguson's history article modellingost— forecasting that 500,000 lives would be lost without action. ant— would be lost without action. and we— would be lost without action. and we hw— would be lost without action. and we now know that those hetete— and we now know that those models weren't— and we now know that those models weren't right . and we now know that those models weren't right. but if you teet— models weren't right. but if you took et— models weren't right. but if you look at comparisons between heteh— look at comparisons between harsh lockdowns— look at comparisons between harsh lockdowns and the more wetwhtew— harsh lockdowns and the more voluntary methods such as sweteh— voluntary methods such as sweteh us— voluntary methods such as sweden, us eased, there's only a shatt— sweden, us eased, there's only a small mortality— sweden, us eased, there's only a small mortality of— sweden, us eased, there's only a small mortality of difference of about— small mortality of difference of about 3.2%_ small mortality o

at neil ferguson talked about the inability to run schools as a national security problem. we have created a system where we are not training the people that need to be competitive with china and other countries who won't be able to actually take the responsibility we need them to take when they grow up because we are training them to check boxes on a test and not to be strong people. host: can you tell us about one case you argued that fits into your philosophy? guest: mean one of my law cases? host: sure. guest: there was a takeover battle in the early days of mergers and acquisitions takeover, in which there are two competing bidders, and the bitter -- bidder that lost argued the other had misled the public. they said it's public disclosures with the sec were misleading and the winner should pay tens of millions of dollars in damages, back when that was a lot of money. and they won, and they won at the trial and appellate court level in now the only thing left was to go to the supreme court, and they cited -- the loser decided to change the legal team and i came on and i

and neil ferguson, a-tas— not working. and neil ferguson, a-tas mts— not working. questions she those sorts of questions is she going i think she going to do that? i i think she has the intention to. but i think considering- has the intention to. but i think considering the- i“ but i think considering the government i“ but i think ttryingering the government i“ but i think ttryingerirdo he government i“ but i think ttryingerirdo measuresment i“ but i think ttryingerirdo measures such keeps trying to do measures such as ttost— keeps trying to do measures such as ttost ter— keeps trying to do measures such as block her from— keeps trying to do measures such as block her from even looking at—tte- as block her from even looking at_the internalj at their whatsapps the internal communications— communications of pandemic oottsy— policy. at the time the government - government are terrified of tawmg— government are terrified of having the having any transparency to the putts— having any transparency to the outtts—tteyl public as to how badly they mtsmauaget— public as to h

it's based on neil ferguson. it's— and that's based. it's based on neil ferguson. . cambridge degree after degree. dnoy-vo— cambridge degree after degree. dnoy-vo goo— cambridge degree after degree. dnoy-vo god o— cambridge degree after degree. they've got a track record of dooddng— they've got a track record of leading amazing— they've got a track record of leading amazing organisations and dnoy— leading amazing organisations and do don-o— leading amazing organisations and they don't know anything. no— and they don't know anything. no odnoodo— and they don't know anything. the educate fools, as coolio oodnod— the educate fools, as coolio once talked about. okay, well, onono— once talked about. okay, well, onono yon— once talked about. okay, well, dnono you go— once talked about. okay, well, dnono you go .— once talked about. okay, well, there you go . yeah. there you go. yeah. coolio the rapper- _ there you go. yeah. coolio the rapper. that's my frame of reference. but yeah , what do you reference. but yeah, what do you mind?— reference. but yeah, what do you thin

it's based on neil ferguson. it's— and that's based. it's based on neil ferguson.degree . cambridge degree after degree. dnoy-vo— cambridge degree after degree. dnoy-vo goo— cambridge degree after degree. dnoy-vo god o— cambridge degree after degree. they've got a track record of dooddng— they've got a track record of leading amazing— they've got a track record of leading amazing organisations and dnoy— leading amazing organisations and do don-o— leading amazing organisations and they don't know anything. no— and they don't know anything. no odnoodo— and they don't know anything. the educate fools, as coolio oodnod— the educate fools, as coolio once talked about. okay, well, onono— once talked about. okay, well, onono yon— once talked about. okay, well, dnono you go— once talked about. okay, well, dnono you go .— once talked about. okay, well, there you go . yeah. there you go. yeah. coolio the rapper- _ there you go. yeah. coolio the rapper. that's my frame of reference. but yeah , what do you reference. but yeah, what do you mind?— reference. but yeah, what do yo

they were driven by neil ferguson and his rnbenod— driven by neil ferguson and his rnbenod group— drivenholm syndrome has started talking. rne— syndrome has started talking. rne nubbrsn— syndrome has started talking. the rubbish that— syndrome has started talking. the rubbish that they were, they rokkrng— the rubbish that they were, they were talking from _ the rubbish that they were, they were talking from the sage sonnrrree. — were talking from the sage committee. �*vw�*rt ”rt grtr “g were talking from the sage committee. grtr “g committee. we're going to learn very little from this inquiry that lady hallett's chairing because it won't get the final conclusions. and for three years, the important thing years, the most important thing is angus, you were right. is this angus, you were right. karol sikora was right and you stood up. you were actually quite brave, given the abuse that you got . if in the next that you got. if in the next year or two, another pandemic hits us, would the would the response from the british government and the media be different this time ? i would different t

columbia and we have a great set panelists for this third panel we have two people joining us on zoom neil ferguson and, jen parker and up here we have paul light to my right, to my left, and then richard roth joining us. so we'll turn first to neil on zoom. he is the milbank family senior fellow at the hoover institution at stanford university and also a senior faculty fellow of the belfer center for science and international affairs, harvard. he's the author of over 16 books, including most doom the politics catastrophe, and he's a regular columnist with bloomberg opinion and an award winning historian and economic journalist. so without further ado, let me turn the panel over to neil. thank you very much, emily. i hope i'm audible. i can see that i'm visible. apologies not having any fancy and apologies also because i'm going to stretch the meaning social almost to breaking points in. i'm about to say. but i hope that it won't seem entirely beside the point. ten years ago i published a called the great degeneration, the subtitle of which was how institutions decay and economies die. it began lif

he about professor neil ferguson. de eoned— about professor neil ferguson.because he understood the risk? aii oi ineee— because he understood the risk? all of these people , professor all of these people, professor noniedovn— all of these people, professor pantsdown, the _ all of these people, professor pantsdown, the revellers at the party— pantsdown, the revellers at the poniv in— pantsdown, the revellers at the pony in o— pantsdown, the revellers at the pony in o eenee— pantsdown, the revellers at the party in a sense, what were they doing— party in a sense, what were they doing oe— party in a sense, what were they were doing was the— party in a sense, what were they were doing was the very reasonable— were doing was the very reasonable job of assessing inein— reasonable job of assessing ineinovn— reasonable job of assessing their own risk— reasonable job of assessing their own risk because back in ieinoonv— their own risk because back in nennoonv 2020,— their own risk because back in february 2020, something that's just february 2020, something that's io

they were driven by neil ferguson and his tmperttt— driven by neil ferguson and his tmperttt group— driven they were, they tttttmt— the rubbish that they were, they were talking from _ the rubbish that they were, they were talking from the sage commtttee. — were talking from the sage committee. �*vtvt�*ti ”ti: gtit “g were talking from the sage committee. gtit “g committee. we're going to learn very little from this inquiry that lady hallett's chairing because it won't get the final conclusions. and for three years, the important thing years, the most important thing is angus, you were right. is this angus, you were right. karol sikora was right and you stood up. you were actually quite brave, given the abuse that you got . if in the next that you got. if in the next year or two, another pandemic hits us, would the would the response from the british government and the media be different this time ? i would different this time? i would hope so . i fear it- different this time? i would hope so . i fear it may- t: �*7�*7iiti“ c 7 i would hope so . i fear it may well be hope so. i fear it may

he about professor neil ferguson. hc cahct— about professor neil ferguson.— forward the idea that it's because he _ forward the idea that it's because he understood the risk? all because he understood the risk? att ct— because he understood the risk? att ct thccc— because he understood the risk? all of these people , professor all of these people, professor hahtctcwh— all of these people, professor pantsdown, the _ all of these people, professor pantsdown, the revellers at the party— pantsdown, the revellers at the patty th— pantsdown, the revellers at the patty ha a— pantsdown, the revellers at the patty ha a cchcc— pantsdown, the revellers at the party in a sense, what were they tcha— party in a sense, what were they tcha wac— party in a sense, what were they were doing was the— party in a sense, what were they were doing was the very reasonable— were doing was the very reasonable job of assessing theta— reasonable job of assessing thchcwh— reasonable job of assessing their own risk— reasonable job of assessing their own risk because back in tctwwaty— thei

an guy behind the neil ferguson. an effect or the ferguson neil effect. mentioned that night and i agree. but you,— that night and i agree. but you oo— that night and i agree. but you, w— that night and i agree. but yeah, so, i mean, it's a pretty uovuowuwuu— yeah, so, i mean, it's a pretty devastating study. it's from johns— devastating study. it's from johns hopkins— devastating study. it's from johns hopkins lund johns hopkins and lund university. _ johns hopkins and lund university. presumably what university. presumably not what wuoy-wo— they're doing. they've examined 20.000— 20,000 studies. so i suppose ww-o—uwu- 20,000 studies. so i suppose ww-o—uwu wo- 20,000 studies. so i suppose. it's—and we never it's a meta study and we never hou— it's a meta study and we never uuulooow— it's a meta study and we never hadlcost benefit— it's a meta study and we never had cost benefit analysis. and had a cost benefit analysis. and wus— had a cost benefit analysis. and who—anu- had a cost benefit analysis. and who—and ouwy- this was the thing. and only wuou— thi

an guy behind the neil ferguson. an effect or the ferguson neil effect. you mentioned that night and i agree. but you,— that night and i agree. but yoou oo— that night and i agree. but you, w— that night and i agree. but yeah, so, i mean, it's a pretty uovoowuwuo— yeah, so, i mean, it's a pretty devastating study. it's from johns— devastating study. it's from johns hopkins— devastating study. it's from johns hopkins lund johns hopkins and lund university. _ johns hopkins and lund university. presumably what university. presumably not what wuoy-wo— they're doing. they've examined 20.000— 20,000 studies. so i suppose ww-o— 20,000 studies. so i suppose woo—onu- 20,000 studies. so i suppose ww-o—uwu wo- 20,000 studies. so i suppose. it's—and we never it's a meta study and we never hou— it's a meta study and we never uuulooow— it's a meta study and we never hadlcost benefit— it's a meta study and we never had cost benefit analysis. and had a cost benefit analysis. and wus— had a cost benefit analysis. and wows—anu- had a cost benefit analysis. and wows—woo ouw

consequences of seeking to steal freedom while imperial college london, led by arch fantasy professor neil fergusoneir claimed justification for so doing has been revealed as utterly , utterly bogus. some utterly, utterly bogus. some might say, i would say that it was all a premeditated pack of lies shaped not in the name of protecting health, but in the name of seizing control of society motty itself. the bare faced lying and hypocrisy are all around us. in april at the white house correspondents dinner, joe biden declared, quote, journalism is not a crime. he said he believed in the first amendment, which is to say freedom of speech. he called for the release of us citizens wrongly detained abroad. journalists included. that was big of him because here in britain this week, australian journalist julian assange lost his appeal against being extradited to the us for publishing classified documents in the public interest and in the best traditions of journalism. joe biden says journalism. joe biden says journalism is not a crime, while his agents do his bidding in seeking to seize and to pool into a

consequences of seeking to steal freedom while imperial college london, led by arch fantasy professor neil fergusoneir claimed justification for so doing has been revealed as utterly , utterly bogus. some utterly, utterly bogus. some might say, i would say that it was all a premeditated pack of lies shaped not in the name of protecting health, but in the name of seizing control of society motty itself. the bare faced lying and hypocrisy are all around us. in april at the white house correspondents dinner, joe biden declared, quote, journalism is not a crime. he said he believed in the first amendment, which is to say freedom of speech. he called for the release of us citizens wrongly detained abroad. journalists included. that was big of him because here in britain this week, australian journalist julian assange lost his appeal against being extradited to the us for publishing classified documents in the public interest and in the best traditions of journalism. joe biden says journalism. joe biden says journalism is not a crime, while his agents do his bidding in seeking to seize and to pool into a

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the before the pandemic guidance before they decided to take neil ferguson's advice and copy china becauseconsequences. costs by the way, i mentioned this is way, i just mentioned this is going— way, i just mentioned this is gang-ae— way, i just mentioned this is goinglbe a— way, i just mentioned this is going be a costly affair. going to be a costly affair. ever— going to be a costly affair. over-million.- going to be a costly affair. over million. this over £100 million. this investigation- over £100 million. this investigation has cost. so far. and— investigation has cost. so far. and mar— investigation has cost. so far. and rnar re— investigation has cost. so far. and that is just— investigation has cost. so far. and that is just going to go up. x x and that is just going to go up. x x x.— and that is just going to go up. x x a. r— and that is just going to go up. x x a. r dam-r— and that is just going to go up. x x x. i don't even— and that is just going to go up. x x x. i don't even think anyone nar— x x x. i don't even think anyone and a— x x x. i don't even think anyone can even pu

it was neil ferguson who predicted half a million that's what a million deaths.— timing of this video, you know, and-police said— timing of this video, you know, and police said there no and the police said there was no ewttenee— and the police said there was no evidence—said,- evidence as well. they said, wett— evidence as well. they said, wet-wee— evidence as well. they said, well,-was just- well, there was just a photograph- well, there was just a photograph they thought well, there was just a— photograph .they thought that photograph and they thought that was photograph and they thought that wee—het- was they said they had a thetewth— was they said they had a thorough investigation. the thetegteth— thorough investigation. the . photograph—know, photograph showed, you know, then —ty| them just standing around by tttnk— them just standing around by tttnk ent. — them just standing around by drink and. well,— them just standing around by drink and. �*ft�*tzgc them just standing around by drink and. white t:ti:t drink and. well, folks, what do you think your react

it was neil ferguson who predicted half a million that's what a million deaths.ou know, and-police said— timing of this video, you know, and police said there no and the police said there was no evidence—said,- evidence as well. they said, wen,— evidence as well. they said, work-was— evidence as well. they said, well,-was just- well, there was just a photograph- well, there was just a photograph they thought well, there was just a— photograph .they thought that photograph and they thought that was—hai- was they said they had a rhorough— was they said they had a thorough investigation. the ohorograph— thorough investigation. the . photograph—know, photograph showed, you know, rhon —hy| them just standing around by drink— them just standing around by drink and. — them just standing around by drink and. well,— them just standing around by drink and. i�*fy�*biilee them just standing around by drink and. white r:r1:1r drink and. well, folks, what do you think your reaction to that video gb news.com .and video market, gb news.com. and don't it's father's day, don't for

what neil gorsuch and the conservatives have done in this case is really bring us back to a plessy v. ferguson standard in terms of public accommodations loss. >> and to say that everyone except white christians and billionaires have no rights that anyone is bound to respect. that actually does sum up this court pretty well. thank you both very much. >>> up next on "the reidout," how conservatives on the supreme court have clumsily danced around the once all important issue of standing in cases before the court. "the reidout" continues after this. to finally lose 80 pounds and keep it off with golo is amazing. i've been maintaining. the weight is gone and it's never coming back. with golo, i've not only kept off the weight but i'm happier, i'm healthier, and i have a new lease on life. golo is the only thing that will let you lose weight and keep it off. who loses 138 pounds in nine months? i did! golo's a lifestyle change and you make the change and it stays off. (soft music) - [female narrator] five billion people lack access to safe surgery. thousands of children are suffering and dying fro