adrian coming in. but i'm joined now by sustainadrian, look, thankirian coming in. but i'm joined now by sustainadrian, look, thank you hayesr or not essentially oil and gas is essentially new oil and gas is actually a good thing or do you think it is ? think it is? >> i do. patrick >> i do. patrick >> and good afternoon to you and your your viewers and listeners. >> the reason is because i'm part of a growing band of environmental campaigners , environmentalists, sustainability campaigners who are sceptical about the whole net zero agenda and what i would call the kwasi religion. why? >> because , as i believe it's a >> because, as i believe it's a cop out , it's >> because, as i believe it's a cop out, it's enabling governments and globalist institutions to say they're doing so much for the environment while they're ignonng environment while they're ignoring all the things that really do contribute to a damaged environment. air pollution , chemical pollution, pollution, chemical pollution, biodiversity loss , biodiversity loss, deforestation, all these things i >> -- >> and if you're one little term you can say about what