the information, the data, and analyze it in a systematic way, and make sense of it. >> david fravor ed him on that day back in 2004, when you saw the uap, which you have referred to as the tic tac, we were showing the video now. commander fravor described the encounter again today in the hearing. what else do you personally remember from that encounter? what stands out to you all these years later? >> so, i thought commander fravor did an excellent job of recounting a lot of the technical details, the scenario that we were in, that we were in this training exercise off the coast of california. we were a large carrier strike group. this battle group of several ships and -- squadrons of aircraft. you know, that's why it was such a big deal that we have this unidentified aircraft or something in our airspace operating so close to a military exercise. and the only thing that i would add to the story that he tells is what happened in the moments and hours and days afterwards, which was disappointing. it was underwhelming in terms of the debrief that we received. and so, again, i would adv

. >> david fravor is a retired navy f-18 pilot who spotted the object seeming to move it impossible speeds spoke with abc news. in 2017. >> we get a call from uss princeton. he gives us a bearing range and altitude report. he's calling it contact for us that they want us to investigate. so as we start driving out there, i said, what are we looking for? and he said, we don't know. he said, we've seen these objects. they hang out at 20,000, then they go straight back up above 80,000 and disappear. there's two people in each jet, so four heads, eight eyeballs and we start looking around and right about that time, i was like, dude, do you see that? i go, what is that? so we're looking down and there's a disturbance in the water right next to it. it was this little white object that looks like a tic tac, and it's just above the surface of the water and it's moving around , left, right, forward, back just random. no controlled thing. there is no road or wash. there is no jet wash. i say, hey, i'm going to go down and check it out. we start coming down. so now we're in a clockwise flow, going fro

. >>> we have nothing close to it -- >> reporter: retired navy commander david fravor testified before congress about an encounter he cannot explain. a strange tic tac-shaped object he saw during a training mission in 2004. >> the technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had. >> reporter: lawmakers on capitol hill are digging into the national security concerns and the mystery posed by unidentified anomalous phenomenon or uaps, also known as ufos. >> do you believe our government is in the possession of uaps? >> absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years. i know the exact locations. >> reporter: a whistleblower who formerly worked on the defense department's uap task fprce, david grusch, claims he was denied access to information on a government ufo crash retrieval program, something the pentagon disputes. >> biologics came with some of these recoveries. >> were they i guess human or nonhuman biologics? >> nonhuman, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program i talked to. >> reporter: congress members from bo

retired navy commander david fravor described another incident near san diego to "60 minutes." >> it starts mirroring m. as i'm going down, it starts coming up. >> i think there are a lot of questions that the american public needs to know. >> reporter: tennessee republican tim burchett rep believes the pentagon is withholding evidence of possible extraterrestrial encounters. >> i want transparency. just released all the files they have on it. quit with this redacted stuff and let's get it out there. >> reporter: former intelligence officer david grusch will tell congress tomorrow that he was denied access to information on a secret government ufo crash retrieval program, something the pentagon disputes. astronomers seth shostak said the pentagon would have little incentive to cover up ufo encounters. >> why would they do that? and almost invariably, the responses, well, the public couldn't handle the news. that's -- that's totally bonkers, right? >> reporter: but new york democrat kirsten gillibrand said more transparency is critical. the increasing number of objects in the sky coul

. >> reporter: former military pilot david fravor said he was astonished by what he saw in the sky. > currently possess. >> reporter: the pentagon to be more transparent. >> many people believe we are withholding information from them. >> reporter: on any unexplained aerial phenomena incidents, reports since early 2021. you think anyone's minds were changed because of this? >> i think they will when they see those men, they are not just some random people off the street. >> reporter: senators this week will consider legislation requiring the national archives to release federal reports about ufos, arguing those mysterious items in the sky, j.b., are a danger to military aircraft and u.s. security on the ground. >> james: scott, thank you very much. well, it was an emotional day for actor kevin spacey as he hears the verdict in his sexual assault trial in london. we'll have the details next. i had d bad days,, (cough, , cough) flare-e-ups that c could permamanently damage my y lungs. withth breztri,, ththings changnged for me.. brezeztri gave m me better brereathing. starting w within

lawmakers will also hear from david fravor, a retired navy commander who recorded this video in 2004acific. oh my gosh, dude. >> wow. look at that. oh, man. look at that fly. >> skeptics believe the sightings could be advanced drones or optical illusions. the military intelligence officer leading the pentagon task force on ufos says they're analyzing more than 800 cases dating back decades. >> i have a full range of hypotheses. there's on this end of the spectrum. it's advanced technology that's coming from an adversary right in the middle have all my known objects, balloons and drones and birds and whatnot and then on this end of the spectrum, we have extraterrestrials. but congressman burchett says next week's hearing is all about government transparency. >> ac we're not going to bring you in a saucer or a little green man, but the reality is the american public deserves to know that hearing is next wednesday. >> the nfl's washington commanders are holding a pep rally today to celebrate the team's new owner ownership, that is, league owners approved the $6 million sale, ending the

and finally retired navy commander david fravor, squadron leader to work as a naval aviator for 18 years mr. fravor has its own uap experience known as the tick-tock event there on the forgery from all three of you today. pursuant to committee rule nine gee, the witnesses will please stand and raise the right hands. let the record show that all the witnesses answered in the affirmative. you may be seated. we appreciate you all being here today and look forward to your testimony. reminder witnesses with regular written statements and they will appear in full in hearing record please try to limit your oral statements to five minutes or as reminder please press the button on the microphone in front of you so it's on and neighbors can hear you when you begin to speak the light in front of you will turn green. after four minutes it will turn yellow and the red light when it comes on tells you five minutes have expired. i will not recognize mr. graves five minutes for your opening statement. >> thank you. chairman droplet and ranking member garcia established members of the house oversight sub

and a former navy commander david fravor said they spotted a white tic tac shape object hovering belowe witnesses who testified under positions, these are credible high ranking officials within the us government that have lots to use and not much to gain by having these conversations in public and while these conversations and stories have been out there for some years this is the first time they have testified under oath, so that risks your, being jailed, or, so... like this has been a culmination. the new york times journalist broke a story that the us government did have a ufo programme which they had always denied. and it was running until as recently as 2012. the programme then apparently shut down but it has come out that the programmes have kept going but under different names. more and more people have come forward to either work as part of those programmes or to continue to work for the government and the government has got a point where they have to address it. got a point where they have to address it— got a point where they have to address it. ~ . . . , address it. what did

whistleblowers , we saw this is whistleblowers, we saw this is ryan graves, former us military pilot david fravortruth. in fact, i'm pretty confident that it's the truth as they know it . but when it comes they know it. but when it comes to we'll call them aliens, proof of aliens or non—human intelligence, as mr grush prefers to call them. sadly, evidence of that was was lacking. in fact , there was no lacking. in fact, there was no evidence. yes you know, commander fravor's observations and sightings back in 2004 are fascinating thing. and i'm sure they worry the powers that be. >> same with pilot ryan graves, who tracked these objects on his on board radar. >> but mr gross's by far the most controversial of the three witnesses. he states quite clearly that he has been shown evidence of crashed ufos from wherever, and they're dead pilots. and he even goes on to make further claims quite outrageous ones that certain people have been killed , people have been killed, murdered to keep these things secret. >> wow . >> wow. >> wow. >> and the surely that should worry everyone within in the united sta