watching the greats like tony or ella fitzgerald, i learned so much.or example, wh use offstage was the exact same person -- use offstage was the exact same person on stage. what you are seeing on stage is that person. he was gracious, humble. he usd to -- he used to stand in the lobby and shake people's hands as they were coming into the room. one it's good business and two he just generally like people. imagine if you're going to see the show, how special that night is, you will always remember that. kristen: how long was his career? he was popular pre-rock 'n' roll, right? >> very much so. much before -- long before you were born. believe me. he started with all the great big band singers in the 1940's. part of why they were so humble, back in the 1930's and 1940's, the real stars with the bandleader's,, james or benny goodman. in the singers -- and the singers, they would sit in a chair off to the side and the band would go, come on, sing a tune, so there was humility, the musicians were the star and the greats like tony, it is all about the music