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especially as ken buck was just saying with dump as a former president soaking up all the oxygen.tail david wrooikt dug out here. if you look, the desantis campaign is spending further down the calendar a bit not ju iowa and new hampshire but his superpac, if thank youook here, 3.7 million in south carolina, the desantis superpac alistening with a club for growth affiliated growth and in nevada it's up 631,000. we don't see that from the others yet. so the others are clearly saying if you're not named trump or desantis, you are betting on iowa and new hampshire to jet son your campaign folk. >> it's so interesting and just back to the tim scott thing. as we hear more and more from desantis allies saying that they want to introduce him in a better way, he's been defined by his opponents. tim scott maybe because he's under the radar more is trying to define and introduce himself with money he moved over from his senate campaign. >> politics 101. you want to be the one defining the yourself. not your opponents. >> thank you so much. >>> we love this stuff. >> i know. >> thank you so

republican ken buck, republican out of california with us in new york. good morning to you.t room. you followed it with dana and me and everybody else. here is some of the reaction from democrats as to what was going down there, check it out. >> did you videotape this hearing, it could be a "saturday night live" speech except it's not funny. >> i don't think he is being censored. he can say whatever he wants. he doesn't get a right to testify before a committee of congress >> i can't really see how jim jordan has actually advanced what this committee says it was going to do. look at the federal weaponization of government. >> bill: that last point it was hard to get a word in edge wise. what do you make of this? >> there is a little irony they are having a hearing on censorship and trying to censor a witness. they are censoring him because he is a threat to joe biden. polling somewhere in the 15 to 20% range and it scares democrats that someone will challenge joe biden. had nothing to do with his testimony. there were plenty of democrats willing to be anti-semitic on the nig

republican colorado congressmen ken buck joins me now. he was at the hearing.hank you for being here. i want to pull up the numbers quick so our audience can see what we're talking about. fentanyl numbers fiscal year 2022, more than 14,000 pounds brought across the border and seized. fiscal year 2023, 21,000 pounds of fentanyl at the southern border. you say and some of your colleagues say that alone would be enough for impeachment. but can you convict him on that basis? >> i don't think we can convict him on the basis of the fentanyl that was seized at the border. i think the real harm that has been done to this country is the fentanyl that wasn't seized and ended up killing tens of thousands. we have between 60 and 70,000 americans dying every year. after i made the statement yesterday in that hearing, i received several texts from friends of mine who had a relative die of an overdose of fentanyl and it is just embarrassing that this secretary of homeland security thinks that leaving the border open is somehow humanitarian. it is a good thing to do and what o

let's bring in republican congressman ken buck of colorado. he sits on the house judiciary committee and participated in the hearing. thank you for joining us. you said kind of tongue in cheek you hope fbi director wray doesn't change his party affiliation after today's hearing. he's a registered republican. do you think that the fbi is pursuing conservatives unfairly? >> no, i don't believe that. i think director wray is a good person. i think he's doing his very best to make sure the fbi follows the evidence. and i think that the fbi is largely treated unfairly in how it has been perceived and portrayed in the public. >> so some of your republican colleagues are talking about using the power of the purse to punish the fbi and the department of justice by eliminating or reducing significantly their budget. politico reported that you said in a closed door meeting you cautioned your colleagues to be careful on this front and that you, quote, are not in favor of cutting doj. tell us why you think it would be a mistake for them to do so. >> well,

it is interesting to see dana bash interview with ken buck and he said that speaker mccarthy's suddenimpeachment inquiry is impeachment theater because according to him republicans need to be on the same page in terms of the spending bill, which they are not as of now. watch this exchange. >> it sounds like you're saying that the speaker is talking about impeachment to try to distract conservatives like you from spending bills that you don't like? >> well not just me, but the public. what he's doing is he's saying there is a shiny object over here and we're going to focus on that. i don't think it is responsible for us to talk about impeachment. when you start raising the "i" word it sends a message to the public and sets expectations. >> do you agree. >> i do to some extent. i saw that live because my lunchtime routine is have a sandwich and watch dana bash. >> that is a good routine, my friend. >> and i would be in favor offully republican or any member of congress for that matter talking about having a working appropriations process which is a big part of what this conversation is

ken buck sits at my side on judiciary and i respect him a great deal.the speaker were saying impeachment i would be pushing back to. we have not had something in my opinion that rose to that level. but an inquiry has a different purpose. it says we must get quickly through either it is real or isn't real. right now we are in a gray area, we know that hunter biden committed criminal acts, some of which they let the statute of limitations expire. others there was a sweetheart deal trying to get him off, and one of the aspects of that deal was the government would not look into anything else. that deal is gone now. it is time to find out the ten or so people that benefitted financially from hunter biden's activities, much of which taxes were not paid on. does it lead to the then vice president or now president and if it doesn't, let's clear it up. one of the reasons we talk about special prosecutors is they act in a way in which they cannot only convict but they can also exonerate as you saw in the mueller investigation. >> john: do you think there should

. >> john: congressman ken buck of colorado questioned mayorkas about the fentanyl crisis earlier todayo that. >> secretary mayorkas, it is your responsibility to secure of the border, the killing by fentanyl is a direct result of your dereliction. when people die of fentanyl poisoning it is your fault. >> this is an scurge we have to work together to combat and with the federal partners are taking it to the traffickers to an unprecedented degree through innovative operations targeting criminals. >> john: what do you say to that answer. is this administration doing enough to combat fentanyl? >> no, not at all. what they are trying to do, slight of hand at this point. they are saying we are introducing bills, trying to find ways to fight fentanyl. one way to fight fentanyl at this point, secure the border. we passed a bill that will accomplish that, hr2, will secure the border. that's the way to do it and that's what sheriff daniels said in his testimony a couple months ago. if you secure the border, as a result of the border policies changing, january 20, 2021, that's where most of the

republicanepsentatives andy biggs, ken buck,rane and massie voted no. and democratic representatives danny davis, jarod golden, and vasquez voted yes. five house members did not vote today. two democrats, represees evans and gallego, and three republicans, representatives kelly, smith andilams. the bill provides nearly $875 billion if funding for the pentagon, $300 million in aid to ukraine, and 5.2% pay increase for military personnel. throughout the week members conser hundreds of amendments to the bill. it's now being sent to the senate for considerati. senate lawmakers will work on their version of the bill next week. you can watch the proceedings in the saton c-span2 and live verage of the house here on c-span. >> following the passage of the 2024 defense programs and policy bill, congressional leaders spoke with reporters on capitol hill about how the vote was split along party lines over an anti-abortion provision supported by the g.o.p. we'll hear first from house speaker mccarthy, followed by house democratic leader hakeem jeffries. [laughter]

the republican co-sponsor of this bill ken buck is great on these issues when it comes to emerging technologies is at the forefront of understanding what a lot of these calmer -- we need to make sure to codify this. i make an analogy to climate change and crisper technologies. adversarial nations with less human rights considerations will keep developing these technologies. if we let them do whatever they want to do, i mean, humanity is not going to benefit. we have to, i think, get the biggest coalition of allies we can and frankly strong arm some of our adversaries into instituting some of the guardrails which are extremely important. >> dana: we were talking at the break about twitter and it is evolving and you describe it well as having growing pains as elon musk takes it over and figures what he wants to do with it. mark zuckerberg of me eta and facebook will create threads. we have a picture of what it would be looked like attached to instagram account. is it twitter for instagram? >> they are relying on the user base instagram has cemented to launch the product and the preview for the mu

it was disappointing and colleague ken buck from colorado a conservative said he wouldn't support our efforts to defund the salary of christopher wray. >> he's making big mistake and anybody in congressman buck's district watching needs to call his office tomorrow and say, defund the salary of the fbi director, who has shown nothing but pole fix being played at the bureau and also the weaponization of the bureau. >> similarly the judiciary committee should take action against christopher wray in what chairman jordan and the rest of us have to sort out is whether to proceed next with a contempt action against christopher wray for not answering questions that he has a statutory obligation to answer or whether to proceed with a criminal referral to the justice department where he works, for lying in the very few questions that he actually did answer. he told err final lies to senator lee previously about fisa on january 6, he told lies to congressman nells when asked about looking at these school board parents so they have toldly come untethered from the constitution at the fbi and we mu

joining me is republican congressman ken buck from colorado.ongressman, you have said previously you couldn't vote for trump if he was a convicted felon but now the idea this documents case is being pushed back or scheduled to start in mid may after your state's primary what do you do? >> well i i don't publicly take any position on who i'm going to vote for but i will not endorse until probably after the colorado primary. >> could you support trump with the idea not knowing whether he's going to go a convicted felon? >> as i said i'm not going to support anybody for a period of time. >> do you believe it's in the best interests for voters if they go to cast their ballots and trump hasn't gone to trial yet? >> no i don't think it's in the best interests of voters. i think there should be some knowledge. i think the facts that come out of trial are going to be relevant to their decision. i think the idea that he may be convicted although i think a lot of this generates sympathy among republican primary voters. >> we have seen his poll numbers go

maine and one from washington state and there were four republicans who voted against it including ken buck of colorado, thomas massie of kentucky, andy biggs of arizona, and eli crane also of arizona, but that is even with, because of the democratic defections, that is essentially going to help to get the bill over the finish line, because most of the democrats had initially planned to vote for this bill, but they ultimately decided not to, because of some significant changes that were made dealing with the social policy issues added to the bill through the amendment process, and one would nix the pentagon's policy to provide reimbursement for abortion service members or their family to go out of state where it is banned. also, targeting the transgender rights for veterans which is eliminated for part of this bill, and eliminate the diversity and equity part of the pentagon and not to allow the pentagon to have a department of defense schools to have bipartisan support, and speaking to the congressmembers including tim birshette who i spoke to. >> when you have a man in a dress that is rec

you have all of these republicans that have been on tv talking about ken buck says it is theater, thebject tony gonzales is people home are concerned about real things michael lawler, richard hudson no one is seriously considering this except kevin mccarthy wants to go on tv all the time and pretend as if it is happening, so it is not happening and i know that aside for you and i hate to burst your bubble about -- >> not versed in, still bubbling. >> jessica: okay, you bubble as long as you want. i wouldn't try to stop you. but i am not afraid of it. and i think that this would actually be a day of celebration for people who think that the system is rigged and we have these two -- two-tiered system of justice because hunter biden didn't get the "sweetheart deal," and i was watching stephanie ruhle last night, she had on joyce vance, who was a u.s. attorney, and she said the judge asked all the right questions. that this was a completely appropriate response to it and that there were things in the deal that hadn't been made public yet. i am not seeing the outrage about -- >> jesse: the

andy biggs, a conservative member of the house freedom caucus along with ken buck, republican as well. four conservative members on the house voting no, but the democratic support so little is because of the changes that were added to the bill. speaker mccar thi catering to the demands of his far right, which is threatening to hold up this bill, allowed amendments to go forward that would nix the abortion policy providing to serve members of the military that travel out of state to get ab abortion. also dealing with transgender health care, eliminating health care for transgender veterans would be part of the bill as well. it's eliminating diversity in training programs. it's been a big push. no longer part of this bill. but in talking to conservatives, many of them defending these changes and also arguing that they plan to pressure their leadership to hold the line and not back off in negotiations with the senate. >> when you have a man in a dress that's recruiting or promote ing military, that doest fly in east tennessee. it doesn't fly most places in america. when we get away from

we also learned in the course of the reporting that ken buck and chip troy, two freedom caucus memberse donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election contemplated quitting the group in the wake of the attack on the capitol. they have been among the pack of freedom caucus members who have been splitting and deviating from the norm to do their own thing. just a lot of concern right now about this group's future, especially, dana, as you know because they derive their power from unity and strength in numbers? >> so well said. great reporting to you and to annie. thank you so much and our reporters are back here. manu, i want to read a little bit more of her reporting. the recent cracks that have emerged within the caucus, much of who derive much of their power from being unified against republican leadership, are emblematic of a broader identity crisis that the 8-year-old group has been wrestling with. formed to hold the gop legislative agenda to the right the caucus became a fan club for donald trump, more defined by personalities than a devotion to policy. as somebody who watched

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republicanepsentatives andy biggs, ken buck,rane and massie voted no. and democratic representatives danny davis, jarod golden, and vasquez voted yes. five house members did not vote today. two democrats, represees evans and gallego, and three republicans, representatives kelly, smith andilams. the bill provides nearly $875 billion if funding for the pentagon, $300 million in aid to ukraine, and 5.2% pay increase for military personnel. throughout the week members conser hundreds of amendments to the bill. it's now being sent to the senate for considerati. senate lawmakers will work on their version of the bill next week. you can watch the proceedings in the saton c-span2 and live verage of the house here on c-span.

you also saw ken buck a congressman from colorado, asking this question about look, we need fisa to fight against terrorism, against foreign adversaries. because of the way it's politicized through the fbi, there's some questions about whether they can reverse course on that. the other thing that was asked about today was the data collection by the fbi when it comes to location services that they buy from commercial entities. christopher wray say they don't purchase them anymore. he also couldn't say when that data was used for and whether it's going to be used in the future. so there's the issue of fisa reform and also the issue of how congress wraps itself around these issues of data collection, the internet and how law enforcement agencies at the federal level are capable of taking information from americans without a warrant. whether it's on bank accounts or whether it's through buying data from private industry. >> martha: we have to leave it there. it's interesting the location devices that the whistle-blower says were requested on that moment between hunter biden when he said my da

when you get somebody like ken buck, a republican in the house saying this is just a distraction, thisy object from all the problems that republicans have and then you see the total disinterest on the part of republicans in the senate, i mean, you know, the basic question you got to ask yourself is what is the high crime and misdemeanor that they are alleging that joe biden has committed? that's what the constitution says. high crimes and misdemeanors. mccarthy said, well, we have to have the inquiry to find out. it has a bit of an alice in wonderland quality to it. you know, i just -- they can talk about it. i suppose they could open an investigation if they want. but if they were actually going to go to the floor and vote, this is a very hard vote, even if the conservative republican-led house for a lot of those republicans who actually won in districts that joe biden won. this would be a pretty hard vote for them to take. >> yeah. to your point, they have not really been able to show much evidence of anything that's directly tied to president biden. but the other context of this --

again, according to politico in a recent closed door meeting, conservative republican congressman ken buck of colorado privately urged his colleagues to be careful of how they talk about justice department funding adding i'm not in favor of cutting doj. at the same time some conservatives are pushing to bring articles of impeachment against attorney general merrick garland in what would be the first impeachment of a cabinet official in nearly 150 years. attorney general garland is slated to testify before a house committee later this summer. joining us now is brenden buck, former aide to house speakers paul ryan and john boehner. brenden, there was a time in american politics people let bygones be bygones, but that doesn't seem to be the case during the debt ceiling fight. i personally am surprised the house freedom caucus is still so incensed over that deal. usually isn't it that once a speaker gets it done everybody can move on? that does not seem to have happened here. >> well, i think maybe they moved on but they don't forget, and i think that's what kevin mccarthy problem is here is t

congressman ken buck is one of them.thy must play his heart who supports of the high-stake spending votes, facing reelection on turf that biden won. what about this issue of impeachment? is the party divided? >> well, i do believe we are at this point, an inquiry is different than an impeachmentment vote. every time we walk the plank, we are putting moderate members, we are putting those seats at risk for 2024. we are president putting the majority at risk and it is not just impeachment that does that. other issues like abortion also put those numbers on the plank. we have to be better than nancy pelosi. she really politicize the impeachment process. we have to show evidence in order to move this thing forward. if we can't, we should not. if we do, we should use every tool in the toolbox to make sure the american people see for what it is and hold everyone accountable. >> what do you say no one is going to be held accountable when things happening and all these investigations. they say at end of the day, whatever it is o

ken buck of colorado is on set, thank you for being in new york with us, congressman, you had said previously you couldn't vote for trump if he was a convicted felon. now the idea that this document's case will be pushed back, or at least is scheduled to start in mid-may, that's after your state's primary, what do you do? >> well, i don't publicly take any position on who i will vote for anyway, but, i will not endorse probably until after the colorado primary. >> but, could you support trump without the idea of knowing wether or not he is a convicted felon? >> as i said, i'm not going to support anybody at this point in time. >> if trump has gone to trial yet? >> no, i don't think it's not best interest of voters. i think there should be some knowledge, i think the facts that come out of trial will be relevant to their decision. i think the idea that he may be convicted. although, i think a lot of this jegenerates a lot o sympathy. >> his team was arguing to push that past the 2024 election, do you think more than a year is enough time to be able to bring that to trial and to have that case,

joining me now is a member of the house freedom caucus, republican ken buck of colorado.oining me. you're also a former federal prosecutor. so looking at what is happening, still happening as we speak, in a courthouse in delaware, away are your thoughts? >> my naught is the judge does the right thing. in this case the judge has to inquire about the basis for the plea agreement and make sure all parties know what's included in the plea agreement. and the result was they called a time out. the prosecution and defense attorneys met and clarified and responded to the judge. the judge was on top of this. everything has to go right in a case like this. >> what does it tell you that the doj prosecutors in there wanted to make clear under questioning from the judge that this deal is just about the tax charges and the deferred gun charge? >> obviously, there are other investigations that are ongoing. other charges may not be brought, but it's important for the defendant to know on the record that there's a possibility of other charges. >> as a member of the house republican majori

this legislation is co-authored with republican congress member ken buck, with congresswoman anna eshoo, and on the senate side, it will be carried by senator shotts. i urge the speaker to put this legislation on the floor for a vote. in addition, a.i. can also destroy the world. we can never, ever let a.i. control nuclear weapons. i've also introduced bipartisan legislation that would prevent a.i. from ever launching a nuclear weapon by itself. we need to have meaningful human control. i also request the speaker to allow that bill to be voted on the floor. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the chair recognizes the gentleman from florida, mr. bean, for five minutes. mr. bean: mr. speaker, the new rankings are out and florida is number one. it's not football, although i would understand one making that assumption. florida is number one for small business. according to a recent venture smarter study that considered numerous factors like business climate, tax structure, and burdensome business regulations, florida has just been ranked the number one state in amer

we have at least one freedom caucus member, ken buck, on nbc news now saying marjorie taylor greene hasght group within the house that doesn't disclose its membership, doesn't talk about internal dealings. she has been saying to some reporters that she's a free agent now. she's a huge fund-raiser within the republican party, for herself and for other conservative members. she has the strong support of the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. we will not hear less from marjorie taylor greene because of this move by the freedom caucus. >> my only quibble with your reporting, which i would never question, is that it's more like junior high school -- middle school, not high school. >> fair enough. >> thank you very much, garrett. see you later. >>> joining me now is congressman john kasich, who ran for the republican nomination in 2016 against donald trump. do you miss congress, sir? >> you know, it was so different back then. you know. you covered it. >> i know. >> now what it gets to be is everybody has their special little deal where they are driving things to satisfy some narrow group.

i want to play for how ken buck, a freedom caucus member explains how we got to this point. the freedom caucus in an irresponsible away and as a result of that, she was kicked out of the freedom caucus, and she should not be a member. we have diverse opinions in the freedom caucus. that's not monolithic, but in so far as attacking other members, it just shouldn't be tolerate, over and over again, it's not one simple attack. it's not what happened on the floor a few weeks ago with lauren boebert. it's a series of poorly thought out attacks on other members. >> reporter: democrats, who voted to remove marjorie taylor greene from her committees in the last congress are nodding quietly along to that. she was voted off committees for attacks on other members. not surprising there. as to the broader politics, this probably does not significantly hurt marjorie taylor greene, she's a huge fund raiser in her own right, a major figure in the house conference, regardless of her affiliation with the freedom caucus, and i don't know that it hurts mccarthy either. he has counted on greene

ken buck made that clear. he wants to defund it. as we see with capitol hill hearings, it has many elements of politics throughout. what comes of it, we'll continue to follow that. >>> before we wrap up today, we do want to make an important note. yesterday in a segment about transgender influencer dylan mulvaney, who was teached in bud lite's reacent campaign was mistakenly referred to i by the wrong pronoun. cnn age amess to honor individuals as identifying themselves and we apologize for that error. >>> a lot of live news today. a lot of events. it does continue. thank you all so much for being here with us. i'm kate baldwin. this is "cnn news central." "inside politics" is up next. when i first started the company i was excited to empower people of all abilities. you've made something that people find invaluable.e. it fuels you to keep making a better impact with your business. i don't have to think about the pathway to the ocean, i just know i'm going to be able to surf again. that's why we're here... to help make it happen. wa

again, according to politico, in a recent closed-door meeting, conservative republican congressman ken buckrged his colleagues to be careful about how they talk about justice department funding, adding that i am not in favor of cutting doj. at the same time, some conservatives are pushing to bring articles of impeachment against attorney general merrick garland in what would be the first impeachment of a cabinet official in nearly 150 years. attorney general garland decided to testify before the house committee later this summer. joining us now is brandon buck, former aide to house speaker's paul ryan and john boehner. brandon, there was a time in american politics where people let bygones be bygones. it doesn't seem to be the case when it comes to what happened during the debt ceiling fight. i personally am surprised that the house freedom caucus is still so incensed over that deal. is it not usually that once the speaker gets it done, everyone can move on? that doesn't seem to have happened here. >> i think it might have moved on, but they don't forget. that's what kevin mccarthy's proble

some are legit asking questions, i thought ken buck today was legitimately trying to get to the bottom of some things and did it in a way that was smart and respectful and got information back. some people are there just to perform. on both sides of the aisle. >> true. >> chris is a big boy and he understands this. let me say from my perspective, first off, this is a guy who has been nominated by two different republican presidents and twice confirmed by the united states senate, and not one republican in the united states senator voted against him either time. >> secondly, this is somebody who understood as he said today, the faults of the comey fbi, as laid out, that is why he fired every member of the team out of the fbi. that is why he burned leadership team and put in place a bunch of reforms detailed. >> have you seen evidence there has bindz weaponization of the fbi? >> i have not. it doesn't mean there might be individual agents who go rogue. that happens, 38,000 employees of the fbi, okay? chris ray can't make sure that every one, every day, follows the rules impeccably, but w

republican representatives andy biggs, ken buck, crane, and ie voted no. and danny davis, jared golden, marie perez, and gabe vazez two democrats, dwight evans a ruben gallego didn'tote. and republicans kelly, smith, and williams. the bill provides nearly $875 billion in funding for e pentagon. $300 million in aid to ukrae and a 5.2% incree r military personnel. thugut the week,emrs considered hundreds of amendments to theil it is now being sent to the senate. you can wah e proceedings next week on c-span2 and live coverage of the house here on c-span. today, interior secretary deb haaland and e.p.a. chief of staff dan utecht will meet with acting secretary julie su. they'll discuss in investing in u.s. jobs, the economy. watch live coverage of their meeting this afternoon at 3:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span, online at c-span.org, and on our app, c-span now. >> this weekend, former president donald trump speaks from the palm bea cnty convention center in west palm beach, fri. watch live saturday at 6:45 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span now, r free mobile vid

i mean, i thought ken buck, the congressman, had really interesting commentary last week, which is that just a distraction tactic by mccarthy to try to alleviate some of the pressure from conservatives that he is facing right now over, among other things, the debt limit and the forthcoming fight over government funding. at the same time, you know, mccarthy does have trump to consider. trump wants the expungement of his impeachments. to charlie's point, he wants to dirty the waters so it looks like, you know, joe biden and myself are all the same. if you're mccarthy, you have to sort of just make it through the day at some point, so i think that's why he's floated it. i don't see it happening immediately. i think there's a reason he kind of dialed it back a little bit. part of the reason i don't think it happens immediately is, frankly, i don't think they made the case yet. you have to consider the substance here. hunter biden's foreign business dealers are obviously unseemly and problematic, but by their own admission, republicans have not tied the president, joe biden, to profiteering

. >> that is republican congressman ken buck of colorado there.licans also beginning to question the potential impeachment inquiry, saying it could impact elections, especially for those in swing districts. claire mccaskill, as we hear this talk and listen to speaker mccarthy try to walk the line, entertain it a little bit, say we're going to open an inquiry to see if there is the evidence to impeach him, what are they up to, other than a distraction? >> well, listen, i will not say i agree with ken buck, but i will say this, kevin mccarthy has a real problem. that problem is how does he hold on to power in light of so many districts that went republican that are actually joe biden districts? as tim ryan will painfully tell you, majorities are made in the middle. majorities are aren't made on the far right or the far left. majorities are made when swing districts in congress and swing states like ohio and missouri and pennsylvania -- i mean, missouri, it is hard to call it a swing state, but some senators are up in states that are very, very diffi

politico broke the news this week that the house foreign affairs chair michael mccall a has asked ken buckomes up, you know, there are some issues that come up and you know where democrats are going to be and you know where republicans are going to be. on my time in the armed services committee when this issue would come up about authorizations for war powers, everything got scrambled. sometimes you would have some really left-wing democrats, really right-wing republicans agreeing together for different reasons. but in this case it does really just make common sense for everybody that we can't keep going back to these old authorizations for war and that we have to sort through it. so how are you doing that? >> thanks, joe. i think this is really a constitutional issue. it is the job of congress to declare war and to make sure we authorize the use of military force. i have reached out to the various parts of the republican party. there are democrats who are working on it with us. we will move forward. i really think this is an issue where we could get 350 votes. now, there will be some part

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