mark white, thank indeed. well thank you very much indeed. well i'm joined by joshua rosenbergsolicitor and former bbc legal correspondent, privacy . legal correspondent, privacy. privacy. it's a word that we've been debating a lot , not just been debating a lot, not just this week, but actually pre and post leveson, which changed the law in this country. we have article eight of course you know, of the human rights legislation , the right to legislation, the right to privacy. and a lot of that depends on how judges interpret it to what extent is this list of charges that the sun newspaper have brought? to what extent do you believe these are matters of public interest? that's what the sun had to balance when it decided not to name hugh edwards , because you name hugh edwards, because you referred to article eight, right. >> to respect for a person's private and family life. article ten of the human rights convention protects freedom of expression. what the courts have always had to do is balance those two rights, not an easy thing. it all depends on the circumstance. >> cases