we're discussing william birch and his novels of junky and naked lunch.d here, in spite of his say. so lethality. it's in his books. i see that and he perceives these inhabitants of the bottom, these konovalov pushers, flint hipsters, by the way, the word hipster is also used by beros, but not in the sense that the beatniks were actually hipsters that now we use this word in a slightly different sense then. it was a man who was in the subject. well, that's what you're talking about, uh, these dwellers, that he was friends and communicated with the inhabitants. he perceives them. eh, as equals. although we understand that he came from a completely different environment. and so he starts hanging out with some, well, just thugs, loafers begins to steal, and well, in general, and at the same time, uh, there is no feeling of any hierarchy. i have feeling. here is some kind of equality of partnership and brotherhood. let yes man be a wolf to understand that in this situation, probably, there can be no friends when everyone is hunting. yes, for some drugs, and m

in the john birch society or, you know, these ultra and the story traditionally is is that at this period in conservative history, you have mainstream morgan like national edited by william f buckley jr that is starts 1955 and buckley who comes represents a kind of more intellectual wing of. the party is able to kind of buckley and certain people in the establishment conservative room are able to kind of police the boundaries of the movement. right. and able to kind of say, no, we're going to draw a line here that we don't, you know, in robert welch and his ilk on the outside of it. right. and and barry goldwater does this as well to a certain degree. so i wonder, you know, how did they do that? well, so what did they say? yeah, well, yeah. so one of the things i argue is that, you know, buckley, is that totally a myth. but it's mostly, you know, no one person had the ability to to keep the gatekeeper, you know, the birchers were first. there are 60 to 100000 of them. a lot of them very wealthy. and buckley just as an example, he had a lot of ties to a lot of birch leaders and some of his readers were either in the society or they were in in the members, but they were su