but i'm joined now by angela knight, former economic secretary to the treasury and somebody who's always the idea of actually i think angela coming from the background you did we believe did we not, in a meritocracy . we did we not, in a meritocracy. we believed in people rising to the top . we couldn't care less, top. we couldn't care less, could we? in those days about what race or class or sex they were ? when you hear these were? when you hear these criteria that b corp are applying and that firms like coutts are proud to be part of it, what's your reaction? >> well, first of all, b corps is not the only group around and requirements come from a lot of different directions. nigel but can i just say one thing at the start? you're dead right. i come from the north of england. i spent 16 years in the engineering industry. i was actually the female actually only the second female graduate ever taken on by air products and chemicals inc, the american industrial gas company. and the reason that i and many years of my life i was either the first or the only woman or sometimes a combination

but i'm joined now by angela knight, former economic secretary to the treasury and somebody who's always the idea of actually i think angela coming from the background you did we believe did we not, in a meritocracy . we did we not, in a meritocracy. we believed in people rising to the top . we couldn't care less, top. we couldn't care less, could we? in those days about what race or class or sex they were ? when you hear these were? when you hear these criteria that b corp are applying and that firms like coutts are proud to be part of it, what's your reaction? >> well, first of all, b corps is not the only group around and requirements come from a lot of different directions. nigel but can i just say one thing at the start? you're dead right. i come from the north of england. i spent 16 years in the engineering industry. i was actually the female actually only the second female graduate ever taken on by air products and chemicals inc, the american industrial gas company. and the reason that i and many years of my life i was either the first or the only woman or sometimes a combination

uk, angela knight , who energy uk, angela knight, who disagrees with him . morning to you both . angela, morning to you both. angela, let's start with you, shall we? so do you think do you really think people should have to turn off their heating in the winter to help the government . to help the government. >> no, as the answer. to help the government. >> no, as the answer . people >> no, as the answer. people shouldn't have to do that to help the government. i think the question is actually much broader that . and we've broader than that. and we've never really got to any sort of state in this country yet in which the plan for how we reduce carbon, how we get to net zero, is actually going to take place, how much it's to going cost and who's going to pay for it. so right now , we still sort of sit right now, we still sort of sit around in a situation where there's a broad support for net zero as long as it doesn't actually impact our lives and it doesn't cost us any money. now those three things are complete and utterly incompatible and until there is, as

>> let's pay-7 >> let's talk to angela knight from chief executive at energy uk.? >> well, i think so, because it's not just about what's going to happen over the next 2 to 3 months. looking ahead, the pfices months. looking ahead, the prices have stabilised on the wholesale market. so actually what we're looking at is, yes, more than paying more than we were before we had the crisis before putin invaded ukraine. and that sent all the world gas pfices and that sent all the world gas prices wild. so we're not going back to those days , but we're back to those days, but we're also not going back to last winter where prices were shooting all over the place. we're looking at a situation now in which the gas and electricity pfices in which the gas and electricity prices are far more stable and they're far more stable across this winter. so it is good news in that respect . in that respect. >> but the headline as we see it there on the screen, the ofgem's cap drops to 1923. that's sort of on the face of it. sounds good. of on the face of it. sounds good . does that mean we