anthony michael kreis is an assistant professor of law at georgia state university.as in the courtroom monday where mark meadows testified. let's begin there, professor. you are in the courtroom. talk about what mark meadows is arguing for, moving the case to federal court, and the surprise that he himself testified for hours. what exactly he said and what is now on the record that can be used against him in the trial. >> mark meadows really wanted to get his case removed and tried not in fulton county state court, but he wanted in federal court. partially because the jury pool might be more favorable for him and because i think there is an expectation that federal rules and procedure might be more favorable. mark meadows essentially has to show he was acting at least plausibly within the scope of his employment as chief of staff to president trump, and that is why he is entitled to this removal. there was a lot of debate and discussion about whether these actions are consistent with his job, consistent with the federal interest that would warrant removal. he gave a

put it to bed for us, professor of law anthony michael, is there a right, legally, for donald trump to, or as alleged to have done in this particular instance? >> absolutely not. what happened here in georgia in 80 2020 was clearly i think a criminal and certainly was not lawful. what happened in georgia was, we had a good judgment for honest election, the votes were counted not just one-time, but you know three times at that. and, there is an additional matching process to ensure that the ballots were not fraudulent, george went through every single possible mechanism and triggered every possible mechanism that was lawfully available to ensure that it was accurately counted, and the winner of the election the true winner of the election joe biden was certified by the time donald trump started to meddle enjoyed a particularly when he was secretary of state brad raffensperger and asked for 11,000 votes and change, there is no lawful way to change that. the demand he made with secretary of state was unlawful, and i think that is really going to be a key piece of evidence that blames dona

and a former white house deputy chief of staff and the ceo of the massena group also with us is anthony michael christ, a professor of law and political science and george estate university. good evening to both of you. anthony, let's start with you. because some of the legal stuff makes some sense, and some of it makes no sense at all. donald trump tried this the other day. the day that he turned himself in, he came out, he spoke briefly to reporters and he said i don't even know most of these people i am charged with. he may not know a couple of them based on the breadth of this set of charges. sydney powell was on the ground. she was doing things there, hanging around election offices, also trying to become a special counsel. she was behind a lot of these plans. tell me, on the face of it, the merits of their arguments. >> i think this is exactly why fani willis has used the georgia rico statute, with which is essentially a very broad conspiracy statute. unlike the federal statute. rather than a traditional conspiracy crime, or conspiracy to commit election fraud, because other traditional c

joining me now for a deeper dive, anthony michael, assistant law professor at georgia state universityt's good to have you back. you and i were together last weekend before this indictment was unsealed late monday night. we've now had some time to look at some pretty bad hot takes, i think, on this indictment. i wanted to hear the focus on rico. fani willis has used it before. she is used to in the context of school corruption scandals. she's also using it right now for murder and other type of cases that constitute predicate acts for a big racketeering crime. how effective do you think it is for fani willis to use rico for this particular scheme those committed by trump and his codefendants? >> good morning. i think that what folks need to know first and foremost is that the rico statue here in georgia is a very different than the rico statute that most people might be familiar with on a federal level. the federal rico statute is much maudeline eat it and how it can be used in crimes and collectivity. georgia's rico statute is essentially a very broad conspiracy statute. it has been u

earlier, i spoke to anthony michael kreis, a law professor at georgia state university.e georgia charges different. in many respects, the georgia case is a subset of the federal case. but i think what many people didn't expect to be done here in atlanta was to make a claim that the conspiracy, that the unlawful enterprise that donald trump and his allies created to overturn the election was truly a national one. it was a national one that disproportionately harm the voters of georgia and violated georgia law. georgia prosecutors have charged mr trump and the 18 other defendants with election meddling but also, as we gestured for my colleague, sarah smith, racketeering — ——just heard from my colleague, sarah smith, racketeering — a charge that's usually used for organised crime. why? well, often times, there are criminal syndicates that may not necessarily all sit down at dinner time or in a pub and say, "we want to especially enter in this agreement to do something unlawful." but rather you have a large number of people who are doing various different things that they kn

earlier, i spoke to anthony michael kreis, a law professor at georgia state university.e georgia charges different. in many respects, the georgia case is a subset of the federal case is a subset of the federal case but i think what many people didn't expect fanni willis to do here in atlanta is make a claim that the conspiracy, that the unlawful enterprise that donald trump and his allies created to overturn the election, was truly a national one and it was a national one that disproportionately harm to the voters of georgia and violated georgia law. voters of georgia and violated georgia lava— georgia law. georgia prosecutors - georgia law. georgia prosecutors have - georgia law. georgia - prosecutors have charged mr trump on the 18 other defendants with election meddling but also as we just heard from my colleague sarah smith, racketeering, a charge thatis smith, racketeering, a charge that is usually used for organised crime stop why? often times there _ organised crime stop why? often times there are _ organised crime stop why? often times there are criminal - times

also with us is anthony michael christ, a professor afflaw and political science at georgia state university. good evening to both of you. anthony, let's start with you because some of the legal stuff makes some sense and some of it makes no sense at all. donald trump tried this the other day, the day he turned himself in. he came out and spoke briefly to reporters and said i don't even know most of these people i'm charged with. he may not know a couple of them based on the breadth of this set of charges. sidney powell was on the ground. she was doing things there, hanging around election offices, trying to become special counsel, behind a lot of these plans. tell me on the face of it theimators of their arguments. >> well, i think this is exactly why fani willis has used the rico statute rather than a traditional conspiracy crime or conspiracy to commit election fraud because under a traditional conspiracy to commit election fraud charge, you'd have to have a situation where two people essentially get together, agree to do something unlawful and then one person in that group does something

of defense, karen friedman, former prosecutor who worked with special counsel jack smith, and anthony michael, assistant professor of law at georgia state university. anthony, you were actually inside that hearing today for mark meadows. i mean, just take us into that courtroom. when you saw mark meadows there for, i believe, some 3 1/2 hours, was he able to make a good case? >> well, he had a very hard time on -- i think today in trying to make a case. he certainly articulated that, in his view, he had a wide range of activities that fell under his obligations as chief of staff. making phone calls, getting contact information, gate-keeping, keeping the president on schedule. but when the d.a.'s office pushed back, there were a number of very important points raised that meadows really didn't have a good answer for. for example, why did he offer campaign cash in order to help fulton county get a signature audit moving along. why did he have coordinated efforts with particular campaign officials for the electors scheme or for setting up this phone call. and finally, i think the big question th

. >> joyce, i had a professor from george on yesterday, anthony michael crisis and, and i asked him june vision one large indictment with trump and several codefendants, or several slow small indictments that i should go after trump and other codefendants? how complicated is judicial process become if we are looking at one indictment, big, huge, broad strong indictment with donald trump any bunch of codefendants? >> it is legally complicated to have that one big indictment, but it is also complicated in practical ways. how do you get all of the defendants and their lawyers into the courtroom? is one of the issues that always comes up in multiple defendant cases. so there are possibilities here. i think we don't know for certain, there are indications that willis is headed into one big indictment. you could also envision her breaking this down into perhaps an internal georgia indictment involving the fake electors scheme, and an external one involving the pressure. but we know that the complications start very early on. in a big case, we saw that trump's indictment involving mar-a-lago wh

and "outfront" now, former deputy assistant attorney general elliot williams, and also anthony michael kreis, a law professor at georgia state university, who has been following the fulton county case closely. and also gloria borger, cnn's chief political analyst. elliott, i want to start with trump's bond agreement, part of the negotiations that he would also surrender on thursday. and there are these very clear parameters here. trump has to abide by them, including that he is prohibited from any direct or indirect communication about the case with witnesses or codefendants or any direct or indirect threats toward any codefendant, witness, or victim in the case. the agreement says that those rules, quote, shall include posts on social media or reposts of posts made by another individual on social media. do you think that's fair, or should the judge have waited to draw that line? >> it's absolutely fair. and these are generally unremarkable provisions trying to minimize the fact that a defendant might threaten witnesses or could threaten witnesses in the future. look, any judge lives i

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robbery at a home depot in pleasanton, the same month in san francisco, security guard michael earl wayne anthony shot and killed alleged shoplifter banko brown at a walgreens. no charges were pressed against the guard. and in november, a safeway security guard was shot trying to stop a shoplifting incident in the city's outer mission. a person was struck and killed by a caltrain on the peninsula this afternoon. caltrain says it happened near whipple avenue in redwood city at about 1230 today from skyfox, you can see the train stopped at the scene. none of the 75 passengers or crew on board was hurt. the transit agency says this is the eighth fatality this year. train traffic returned to normal at about 230 this this afternoon in less than an hour, vallejo police are heading or holding, rather, a town hall meeting. it is a chance for the community to weigh in on a proposed plan to reduce some police services. brooks jarocz joins us now with what this means for the community brooks. well julie, the proposed plan changes how police respond to alarm calls. in most cases, it means officers just won't

francisco da brooke jenkins has declined to charge the guard who killed her, but the guard, michael earl, wayne, anthony has since left the industry. he's also been fined $1,500 by the state's bureau of security and investigative services, not for killing brown, but for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. and for not wearing a required badge. identifying him as a guard. vera says it was up to the guard to follow the regulations. but he says the state needs to allow guards to use less lethal weapons other than tasers, which require you to be close to the suspect. a secondary protocol to go to that would be most effective before they reach for their weapon in the home depot incident, authorities say the guard opened fire after the suspect grabbed the guard's own baton and hit him with it. as far as our rules of engagement are, officer acted appropriately, he says the two incidents are proof that criminals are brazen enough to steal, even in the presence of guards. it's open season for anyone to walk in and believe that they have the right to take something. now, he tells me the security company

host: anthony, calling from chicago. you are on with michael turner. guest: good morning, mr. tanner. how are you? i wanted to ask you a couple of questions here and get to understand a lot better your perspective on how essentially the free market or relaxing regulation is going to deliver and we will talk about housing, primarily. what i want to understand is, if there needs to be a lack of regulation to allow more homeownership. can you explain to me how that is not just going to allow with the free market always does, and that is the concentration of property and housing into fewer and fewer hands. i think the nation that is the best were cuba, the ussr and china where they actually just guaranteed housing and built housing directly for people. housing ownership was no longer a commodity to be bought and concentrated, but it was a right for people. i will leave you also with the school voucher program. really, really quick. i want to understand why you think how the school choice vouchers are a solution to underfunded schools, which underfunded schools are underperforming

michael steele. pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. and justice legal affairs analyst, anthony colli. recently, he was spokesperson at the department of justice under merrick garland. michael steele, let's begin with you. here we are in august. we have a president that has been indicted four times. the number of charges, well, 13 in georgia, 40 in florida, 34 in new york, and 4 in d.c. so about 90 actual charges against the president. you know, i have so many people talking about this right now. they try to talk about the political side of it. they try to talk about what they heard on tv last night. they try to talk about what so-and-so's hot take was on twitter. you know, every lawyer i've talked to at this point says, the only question is, is donald trump going to do a deal, or is donald trump going to end up in prison? the only political question is, if he doesn't do a deal, a universal deal, and he ends up in prison, will the republican party nominate somebody and elect somebody while they're in jail, or will they choose a different path forward? it's pretty stark. again, t

>> out front now, michael christ who is a law professor and has been following the fulton county probe closely. anthonybut when do you think we will learn about any indictment and do you see any scenario where the warmer president himself is not indicted.? >> >> this is a jury management question because fani wilson needs to have the same 16 jurors to hear all the evidence and she probably requires at least two full days of presentation of evidence to the grand jury so it's going to take some considerable time but that probably means tuesday of next week would be the absolute earliest we would see an indictment but most of us were watching expect indictments to come the following week. i think we all expect donald trump to be indicted and the big question after that is are there co-conspirators who are indicted as well. >> georgia is mentioned 48 times in the federal indictment. the federal indictment includes six co-conspirators you mentioned including rudy giuliani, john eastman and others among them. how closely do you think this state case iinvolved mayhew to the federal case? >> the way i see the

host: anthony, calling from chicago. you are on with michael turner. guest: good morning, mr.ou? i wanted to ask you a couple of questions here and get to understand a lot better your perspective on how essentially the free market or relaxing regulation is going to deliver and we will talk about housing, primarily. what i want to understand is, if there needs to be a lack of regulation to allow more homeownership. can you explain to me how that is not just going to allow with the free market always does, and that is the concentration of property and housing into fewer and fewer hands. i think the nation that is the best were cuba, the ussr and china where they actually just guaranteed housing and built housing directly for people. housing ownership was no longer a commodity to be bought and concentrated, but it was a right for people. i will leave you also with the school voucher program. really, really quick. i want to understand why you think how the school choice vouchers are a solution to underfunded schools, which underfunded schools are underperforming schools -- yes. wh

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