anthony michael kreis is an assistant professor of law at georgia state university.as in the courtroom monday where mark meadows testified. let's begin there, professor. you are in the courtroom. talk about what mark meadows is arguing for, moving the case to federal court, and the surprise that he himself testified for hours. what exactly he said and what is now on the record that can be used against him in the trial. >> mark meadows really wanted to get his case removed and tried not in fulton county state court, but he wanted in federal court. partially because the jury pool might be more favorable for him and because i think there is an expectation that federal rules and procedure might be more favorable. mark meadows essentially has to show he was acting at least plausibly within the scope of his employment as chief of staff to president trump, and that is why he is entitled to this removal. there was a lot of debate and discussion about whether these actions are consistent with his job, consistent with the federal interest that would warrant removal. he gave a

also with us is anthony michael kreis, a professor of law and political science and george state university evening to both of you. anthony, let's start with you. because some of the legal stuff makes some sense, and some of it makes no sense at all. donald trump tried this the other day. the day that he turned himself in, he came out, he spoke briefly to reporters and he said i don't even know most of these people i am charged with. he may not know a couple of them based on the breadth of this set of charges. sidney powell was on the ground. she was doing things there, hanging around election offices, also trying to become a special counsel. she was behind a lot of these plans. tell me, on the face of it, the merits of their arguments. >> i think this is exactly why fani willis has used the georgia rico statute, with which is essentially a very broad conspiracy statute, unlike the federal statute. rather than a traditional conspiracy crime, or conspiracy to commit election fraud, because other traditional conspiracies to commit election fraud charge, you would have to have a situation wher

earlier, i spoke to anthony michael kreis, a law professor at georgia state university.e georgia charges different. in many respects, the georgia case is a subset of the federal case. but i think what many people didn't expect to be done here in atlanta was to make a claim that the conspiracy, that the unlawful enterprise that donald trump and his allies created to overturn the election was truly a national one. it was a national one that disproportionately harm the voters of georgia and violated georgia law. georgia prosecutors have charged mr trump and the 18 other defendants with election meddling but also, as we gestured for my colleague, sarah smith, racketeering — ——just heard from my colleague, sarah smith, racketeering — a charge that's usually used for organised crime. why? well, often times, there are criminal syndicates that may not necessarily all sit down at dinner time or in a pub and say, "we want to especially enter in this agreement to do something unlawful." but rather you have a large number of people who are doing various different things that they kn

earlier, i spoke to anthony michael kreis, a law professor at georgia state university.e georgia charges different. in many respects, the georgia case is a subset of the federal case is a subset of the federal case but i think what many people didn't expect fanni willis to do here in atlanta is make a claim that the conspiracy, that the unlawful enterprise that donald trump and his allies created to overturn the election, was truly a national one and it was a national one that disproportionately harm to the voters of georgia and violated georgia law. voters of georgia and violated georgia lava— georgia law. georgia prosecutors - georgia law. georgia prosecutors have - georgia law. georgia - prosecutors have charged mr trump on the 18 other defendants with election meddling but also as we just heard from my colleague sarah smith, racketeering, a charge thatis smith, racketeering, a charge that is usually used for organised crime stop why? often times there _ organised crime stop why? often times there are _ organised crime stop why? often times there are criminal - times

and "outfront" now, former deputy assistant attorney general elliot williams, and also anthony michael kreis, a law professor at georgia state university, who has been following the fulton county case closely. and also gloria borger, cnn's chief political analyst. elliott, i want to start with trump's bond agreement, part of the negotiations that he would also surrender on thursday. and there are these very clear parameters here. trump has to abide by them, including that he is prohibited from any direct or indirect communication about the case with witnesses or codefendants or any direct or indirect threats toward any codefendant, witness, or victim in the case. the agreement says that those rules, quote, shall include posts on social media or reposts of posts made by another individual on social media. do you think that's fair, or should the judge have waited to draw that line? >> it's absolutely fair. and these are generally unremarkable provisions trying to minimize the fact that a defendant might threaten witnesses or could threaten witnesses in the future. look, any judge lives in the