among them, his friends doug and debby clarke. they think china's move is calculated. well to target the industries that cause the least amount of problems in their country, so it doesn't shut down their woolen mills, so the wool keeps going; the iron ore. so, they're strategically picking off australia, where it has the least impact on their economy. stephen: debby, how do you feel about this? debby clarke: well, it is a bit annoying. but you can't waste energy on being angry or annoyed when you cannot influence a foreign government. doug clarke: i mean, we can't do trade at any cost. i mean, we got to uphold, you know, our principles and the principles of the australian way. we don't want to lie down in a fetal position and get kicked to death. we need to stand up and fight back. stephen: australia is challenging china's tariff at the world trade organization. dan tehan: it might take one or two years for us to resolve it, but the principle of it is incredibly important. we want to go to the umpire, and we want to get a decision from the umpire, whether the actions b

simon clark, director of smokers rights group primarily funded by the tobacco industry. comeback, simon. excellent to have you on. and debbiesgow and peter in shrewsbury. straight out of the traps. deborah, what were you going to say, deborah arnott? weill. going to say, deborah arnott? well, before the news, _ going to say, deborah arnott? well, before the news, you _ going to say, deborah arnott? -ii before the news, you mentioned that this was a sort of lifestyle choice, thatis this was a sort of lifestyle choice, that is a myth promoted by the tobacco companies. they decades denied, even though they knew their own research showed how addictive it was, it takes smokers about 30 times before they quit and most people start and become addicted as children, this is not a lifestyle choice which is why it is the responsibility of government to help and support people to quit, and just because you are poor doesn't mean you think smoking is a good idea, it isjust that life is more is just that life is more difficult and the more difficult life is, the more addicted smokers tend to be and the harder they find it too quick so it