jim jones had in all the childhood but was always loved. vernon wayne howell was born to a 14-year-old girl and was raised with a lot of uncles and stepdad's but never wanted for food or attention. we can understand when people have problems why they wouldn't understand but it was also inevitable that they became what they became. >> how many children of david's survived and why so many? >> david's children, most of them died in the final fire. that was deliberate on his part. all told, he fathered 23 children by just about a dozen women. he said that the bible quoted that the lamb shall spread his seed. so the lamb of revelation can't be jesus because he didn't have children so vernon the lamb had to have children. obviously he couldn't have those with just one wife and of the children of his were really old souls being born again and when the end times came, they would be the magistrates of the book of revelation to help rule over the new kingdom r of god. three of his children were out by the time the atf operation took place. two mother

what kind of fool are you that you could follow someoneyo like jim jones? the people who joint and followed jimne jones didn't materially benefit from anything. he was usi his church, and when i say church, i use quotation marks, because it was a little little bit as an institution to bring about social change, racial inequality, economic equality, gender inequality. they came to give rather than get in bit by bit they got sd into something far worse. they don't think people understand what happened. i will say this. i've written 25 books now. when they did the road to jonestown, when i was done i had about a dozen new lifelong friend who i see to this day, former members of peoples temple who were some of the most intelligent, culturally concerned people you could meet anywhere. theyre are wonderful. and getting to write about them and the things that happened was a great privilegehi for me did i learn so much writing the book. >> host: good afternoon and welcome to booktv's monthly in-depth program. this month we are at that tucson festival of books in ari

jim jones junior is one of my best friends in this world. he calls himself the first -- he and his family wanted to develop a rainbow family, preaching equality of the races. let's adopt children of different races so we can show that everybody can live together in harmony. jim and stephen, the only blood child of jim and marshall and jones, still are alive. i have met both of them. i'm closer to jimmie vaughan stephen. who is very were -- i am closer to jimmie vaughan stephen. he is very reluctant to speak to outsiders. we are talking about good intelligent people that have become the kind of american citizens we all aspire to be, involved in their communities. they have loving families. they had rough times. they got through it. again, with cults we always think anybody was involved, what must they be? there must be more honest. that is absolutely not the case. in this -- any of these groups you have highly intelligent people looking for like-minded others they can feel comfortable with. jimmy and stephen have very well adapted now to the

what kind of are you that you could follow someone like jim jones? the people who joined and followed jim jon didn't materially benefit from ything. he was using j his church and wn i say church i use quotation marks because it was really meant as an institution to bring aboutt social change. racial equality, economic equality, gender equality. they came to give rather than to get and bit by bit they got pulled into something far worse. they don't think people understand what happened. i will say this, i have written 25 books now. when i did the road to jonestown, when i was done i had about a dozen new lifelong friends that i see to this day. former members of the peoples temple some of the most intelligent culturally concerned people you could meet anywhere. they are wonderful. and getting to write about them in defense of happened was a great privilege for me. i learned so much riding the book. >> good afternoon and welcome to book tvs monthly "in depth" program. we are in tucson festival of books. and our guest guest is a story in an investigative

and afterward, i went to jim jones and i said, jim, they're broadcasting everything we're talking the rest of the world, you've got to do something. so, you know, next meeting, nobody had a phone. so we had to make there was there was progress to be. but i will say that that it was they made me feel welcome. i will say there were so awkward moments and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff when i first joined the administration, admiral mike mullen, who had become chairman under president bush and had been there only six months, less time than i had and and, you know, we'd go into the situation room and there'd be a meeting. and this was in the early weeks of the administration and and they would just the bush administration and get all the dumb decisions. and how could they possibly have thought all these things and everything and mike and i would get in the car to go back to the and we'd look at each other. it's like, don't they? we were part of that. and what what are we chopped liver or are we in hezbollah in there and and so, you know, we had to put up with fair amount of tha

you have a call earlier talking about jim jones there they go again forgetting that jim jones was a democratic party and he was leaving the people astray and people are just not getting it. if trump runs, i sure hope he turns the country back around certainly with the gas prices. it is ridiculous you have to choose do i do it or do i it -- do i get food or do i get gas to get to work. host: with the inflation reduction act. this is a piece by jason smith with a headline saying like paying for skyhigh gas, groceries, and wishing the inflation reduction act a happy anniversary. it is not fixed america's inflation problems. ernest is next in canton ville, maryland. democrat. caller: hello. host: hello. caller: i don't know why everybody is getting a lot of hissy fits over -- mr. trump getting indicted. but, you know, if you do wrong stuff, you should be ready to pay for it. but some people want to do their own stuff and continue to press on without paying back. anyway, mr. biden is doing a great job. people should just stop and really look at what is going on. not read all of the fake news. that

important that was but it would be interesting to see see those connections there is unfortunately a jim jones connection for the people's temple. this is after father divine has passed away and his wife, second wife, was running, you know, running what was left of the peace mission. and and jones shows up this like this is in the early seventies or late sixties and basically tries to recruit of his all the followers that are still there into the people's temple because there are some overlaps in their kind of ideology and religious beliefs and some of do go and join the people's temple. but most of them stay faithful. so there's a there is an interesting religious history about the christian left, which there are some good no new books on, but it's still an understudied area. yeah. any other. questions. so if anybody is in he lives if you could try to work on getting promised land historic markers put up that would be great because there's there's really it's all been obliterated so yeah that's well there's a whole of different buildings but the biggest where the steamboats would come up to t

i guess you can say the same think about jim jones or hitler. trump is made it clear he's going to be a dictator. he's going to end democracy as we know it and our country is going to change per unit he wants to do away with all the checks and balances on the presidency so i can get away with all these crimes he keeps on doing -- he can get away with all these crimes he keeps on doing. this is the tip of the iceberg. i'm sure there are things we do not know about. i want people to read the indictment. use critical thinking. host: i believe we have a link to the indictment on our website. the chum supporter with the flag -- trump supporter with the flag and there'll probably others out there later. our cameras are there for the potential arrival of the president, potential comments from participants in today's arraignment. christine in oregon on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i want to say as far as i'm concerned trump was the first president we've ever had. the biden family is the most corrupt people eve

previous administration and michael moore, cnn political men tater and former obama special adviser jim jonesake sense legally that mark meadows because of his position in the federal government at the time would want to be in federal court? >> yeah, it's a good potion to make and i don't blame him for making it. there is a removal statute that allows someone charged with a crime if they were a federal official that involved their federal duties to ask that the case be transferred so there is a limited number of defendants i think you may see with that opportunity. >> would the form -- if it -- >> i expected this from trump all along. when you look that, all the acts, 161 acts that they're talking about in furtherance of the conspiracy, 154 occurred while he was a sitting president of the united states. that's a pretty strong argument to make that maybe the case should move to federal court as it relates to the former president and, of course, you know, mark meadows was his chief of staff and what more can you -- how much more could you be involved in the federal government being the chief of

then again, not really that surprising because maga is a cult, and trump is the jim jones to their kool-aidheir blind loyalty is stronger than ever, for a man who is clearly running for president to stay out of prison. joining me is charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark, and steven hassan, founder of the freedom of mind resource center, and author of "the cult of trump." i do want to start with you about this, because that poll, that response that trump is trusted as the source of true information more than conservative media, friends and family, and even religious leaders, is shocking but not vising to me. i wonder what you think of it. >> well, you know, the members are programmed to distrust mainstream media, so i'm not surprised at all about that. that those numbers, but from my point of view as a former cult member myself, who has been working for 47 years hoping people to get out of cults, i think we could change our messaging dramatically, and actually maybe get a third away from trump if we're smart with the messaging that we do. >> do tell. how? >> well, so the thing is, wh

it's not going to be the same country we knew if we let this man, this man is no different than jim jones. no different than anyone else that had a cult for years. that's all i got to say. if we let this man back in, he will be number 47 and that will be the last president of the united states and we will have a dictator. host: that's -- another tweet from scott mcfarlane, the first hearing is set for a monday morning with judge tanya chutkan . robert, you are on the air. good afternoon. caller: what i got to say goes back to about 1960. paul pelosi was out here in california threatening farmers that didn't get in line because they wanted to get rid of legal workers. they threatened people with their lives. these events went on for about four weeks. we were a special group that was hired. host: tell you what, robert, if you can bring it to today, we will let you finish otherwise we got to move on. caller: i think the whole thing is a sham. host: thank you for calling in. this text or agrees with you, this arrangement proves to me that the doj has become the ringleader against trump. what

that is, if you're the jim jones of american politics, sooner or later people will realize the kool-aiden that will dwindle down, because they will not achieve anything. at the end of the day. anyone that was on the trump ticket with them was robbed. he was saying he was robbed. and in georgia, he's saying the republicans that supported him, that voted for him, is he saying they robbed him? they're the runs that refused to give him the 11,780 votes that he said you can say that you recounted or went over it. so, as some point people will begin to realize that he is giving us something that's totally self-serving and was corrupt. i think that will dwindle over time. i think he knows that. at the end of the day, the wizard of oz knew that he was not the wizard. >> he is not a wizard. no one is going anywhere today. we have much more on this unprecedented summer of indictments, and the pileup of criminal exposure facing the disgraced ex-president. and his allies that he's the victim of a two-tiered judicial system. there may be two tiers of justice. and later in the hour, how the biden cam

i guess you can say the same think about jim jones or hitler.de it clear he's going to be a dictator. he's going to end democracy as we know it and our country is going to change per unit he wants to do away with all the checks and balances on the presidency so i can get away with all these crimes he keeps on doing -- he can get away with all these crimes he keeps on doing. this is the tip of the iceberg. i'm sure there are things we do not know about. i want people to read the indictment. use critical thinking. host: i believe we have a link to the indictment on our website. the chum supporter with the flag -- trump supporter with the flag and there'll probably others out there later. our cameras are there for the potential arrival of the president, potential comments from participants in today's arraignment. christine in oregon on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i want to say as far as i'm concerned trump was the first president we've ever had. the biden family is the most corrupt people ever. joe biden

as we try to get back to 4,400 here at the open, jim's point about the consumer is reflected today in this call on dollar general from edward joneshey up to buy, why? because half of purchases are in cash, which means less internet competition and a lot of the core customer, they argue, can't afford the membership fee that would get you two-day free shipping. >> i read the piece, and i have to admit that those are exactly what you should buy in real tough times, and of course, i think a lot of us know that when you go to a dollar general, a lot of times, the size of what you buy is smaller. it's not necessarily a real bargain. but people interpret it as a bargain. dollar general is a very good company, but i'm not going to go crazy for it and say this is the time to buy it when walmart is truly rolling back prices. now, walmart stock has been horrendous. walmart's prices at their stores have been spectacular. very difficult to beat them with that balance sheet. david, dollar general is a classic place. i go to my dollar general, it's terrific, and there's some interesting stuff. but when i go to walmart, everything i buy, i feel

cnn political commentator and former obama special advisor van jones, and democratic state senator jimand jury. michael, does it make sense illegally that mark meadows, because of his position in the federal government at the time would want to be in federal court? >> it's a good motion to make. i don't blame him for making it. basically, there's a removal statute that allows somebody who is charged with a crime in a state court, if they were a federal official involved, federal duty is to ask the case be transferred. there is a limited number of defendants you might see with that opportunity. >> but the former president asked -- if it weren't for mark meadows. >> i expect this from trump all along. really, when you look at the -- all of these acts that we have talked about, hundred and 61 acts that they're talking about in furtherance of the conspiracy, this type of thing. 154 of those occurred while he was the sitting president of the united states. it's a pretty strong argument to make that maybe the case should move to federal court as it relates to the former president. of course,

studies scroll with the mineral bind since 2020 his company green jones has produced thousands of blogs that it saves. have helped gift jim more than 130 tons of climate heating, carbon dioxide. so in the crop is growing into the building c o 2 from the atmosphere and it is basically embodying it. but if you leave it to be composed of buttons, the theater goes back into the atmosphere. essentially the coupling, so i could put it or not. so now we stop and then we take the complex abuse. we mix it with the binders. so now we're just gonna be bonded within the concrete. and that is how we're actually able to cut the carbon cycle unfortunate c o 2 into this mix. and because it is skeptically bonded it does on that. we'll go back. i'll just be on the bricks a light and easy to him. they are also robust and also a better common solution then widely used clay breaks like these. that makes them a sturdy alternative for smaller scale buildings in the country that over the next 15 years expects to see a company, new construction boom, clean sort of needs to be fired under both housing degrees integrated to create a good fix, which

senator doug jones, thank you for your time, appreciate it. >> thank you, jim. >> all right, thank you>>> we want to get back to the conditions in southern california. getting worse as tropical storm hillary unleashes heavy rains on top of that. if you are just tuning in, a 5.1 earthquake magnitude earthquake has hit the region. up next we will talk to the mayor of los angeles karen bass. stay with us. you are live in the cnn news room with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way y we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair,, safelite replace. ♪ [car screech] [car door slam] [camera shutter sfx] introducing ned's plaque psoriasis. [camera shutter sfx] he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. [ned?] it can help you get clearer skin and reduce itching and flaking. with no routine blood tests required. doctors have been prescribing it for nearly a decade. otezla is also approved to treat psoriatic arthritis. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. serious allergic reactions can happen. otezla may cause

blog, a writer jon jones shares a valuable lesson rhonda santas should've learned from hillary clinton ahead of tomorrow's republican debate. and be sure to read johns report on jimt out to one becky williams, our technical director, no longer amir technical director because she's leaving. this is her last day today. i wish we could put the camera on her in the control room to embarrass her, but instead i'll say becky williams, we love you, thank you for all you've done to make our show better. we're going to miss you, see us, and enjoy your newfound fabulous new employment. because we'll miss you, but you're still around somewhere. don't lose our number. okay that's tonight's reidout. call us anytime. all in with chris hayes starts now. hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in -- >> we no longer live in a self governing republic if we can't get the answer to this question. >> the man with a plan on insurrection day gets his mugshot and fingerprints in georgia. >> and you won't answer on immunity from prosecution? >> we want to answer. >> did they do a mugshot? >> no comment. >> tonight, the trump codefendants begin to surrender. why fani willis is denying an exten

jim bakker, the defrocked head of the ptl ministry, has been found guilty on all 24 counts of fraud and conspiracy by a jury in charlotte, north carolina. jones heritage usa even though he knew they were oversold. for example, the heritage grand hotel could accommodate only 25,000 partnerships, but 65,000 were sold. and for the lower-priced bunkhouse partnerships, about 7,000 were sold for a building that had only eight rooms. gumbel: estelle pollard sent jim and tammy bakker's ptl club $15 a month for 15 years. she thought that by giving to them, god would ease her pain and that of her ailing husband. i have been one to help make millionaires out of those people when i don't have enough to even live on. jones: bakker could be sentenced to 120 years in prison and fined over $5 million. i would say i feel sad, but encouraged in god. hall: tammy bakker said she could best describe her feelings in song. ♪ on christ, the solid rock i stand ♪ ♪ all other ground is sinking sand ♪ it's not over till it's over. ♪ ("please don't go" by harry casey, richard raymond finch ) ♪ (ping) ( ♪ ♪ ) ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ p