we're joined by judy norman, co director of the center on us politics at the university college, london from taipei in taiwan, was find gold, lawyer and director of the association of americans residents overseas. and from london, we're joined by jennifer ewing, spokes person for republicans overseas. u. k. will, will come out to you will, julia, let's start with you. unlike the federal charges filed by the special counsel for the justice department, this case will proceed in state court. what are the implications of that for donald trump? the store? so i think the main implication of that is for a structural indictments such as the last 2 that we've seen. if trump is convicted for those crimes and elected president, she could potentially pardon himself or a ally or sympathize or could also pardon him for a state level indictments such as this one that came out of georgia yesterday. i. that's not an option. a president cannot harden a state level of crime or indictment or convictions. so that's the main difference that i think people will be looking at. the other thing just to emphasize