so i'm joined now by a previous online fraud victim, jonathan leckie, who was scammed out of £25,000.afternoon. first of all, tell us about your terrible experience and the fact that you lost £25,000. >> well , it £25,000. >> well, it happened pre—covid 2018 seems a long time ago now . 2018 seems a long time ago now. but the scam that hit me was smishing scam . it's these guys smishing scam. it's these guys recycle . old scams are recycle. old scams are successful and they're still doing it today. successful and they're still doing it today . smishing scam doing it today. smishing scam was what got me . i thought it was what got me. i thought it was what got me. i thought it was my bank texting me down my text stream and said that you have with your bank and it was a double whammy really. they the first fake text was that somebody was using my debit card to do an amazon purchase and to stop that fraudulent , supposedly stop that fraudulent, supposedly fraudulent , stop that fraudulent, supposedly fraudulent, you stop that fraudulent, supposedly fraudulent , you know, theft . i fraudul