peter walsh is the senior researcher at the oxford university migration observatory.at to have you on. if you look at what the government said, ministers responded, acted quickly as soon as it was known that legionella was detected. what do you know about the government's response? >> we know that it has been deficient, and it will become clear whether there is some malpractice on their par as the details come forward. at the moment, the evidence is suggesting that they may have jumped the gun here and put people on the barge before getting those all-important test results back. >> if you look at what the health secretary steve barclay said, he says progress is being made on the migrant policy. i would take it you don't agree with that? >> i think it is too early to say. about 16,000 people have crossed in small boats so far this year. that is down from last year by about 10% or so. but the weather in july was not ideal for boat crossings, of course, during the summer months when the weather is better, when water is calmer, skies are clear when we see the big uptick i

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walsh. also, wall street journal sabrina siddiqui, associate professor at law georgetown university peter johnson and former federal prosecutor gene rossi. i want to start with the lawyers at the table. both of you. so, gene, the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger testified today as well. he was on that infamous call, trump looking for his 11,000 votes, what do you think his testimony will mean for mark meadows overall arguments? he basically said the call was political, and to what trump was asking him was inappropriate. >> he the thing he did the hurt as cases he said he was acting on behalf of donald trump. you can complain about how a blanket ambush your money, but you can't rob it. so, with trump did is he devised a scheme to affect the electoral votes and he brought mark meadows in to help him execute the scheme. the other thing mark meadows did that came out of that hearing is he violated the hatch dock and you cannot under any circumstances claim color of law if you're violating the hatch jack. so he, shot himself in the foot. >> he saying everything i edward waters university